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Old Mar 17, 2014 | 01:34 PM
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Hi folks, this isn't actually for my vette but everyone here is so knowledgeable so here it goes (and a/c systems are pretty generic). I replaced the a/c compressor on my old 97 f150 which completely opened it to the air. I'd like to re-charge it, can I just buy a recharge kit and plug it in? I've heard I will need to take it to a shop to have the oxygen pumped out... Any thoughts?

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You need to replace the dryer and pull a vacuum on it to get the moisture out.
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You need to replace the dryer and pull a vacuum on it to get the moisture out.
Thanks, that's what I thought... Any thoughts on the cheapest place to have it serviced, truck is ancient and I hate sinking money into it!
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See if AutoZone has the vacuum pump available on their tool loaner program.
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Good idea, I'll check with them. I called a shop and it's going to be waaaaay to expensive to repair properly so I'll probably do the recharge and pray method... old truck, not worth much!
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If I'm working on an old POS that is barely worth spending money on, I will start filling on the low side, and use a screwdriver to crack open the high side, and bleed some refrigerant out....maybe half a can worth. This does a decent job of purging most of the air out. I wouldn't do this on a vehicle that was worth much, but if you're looking to just get it charged, it will suffice.
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If I'm working on an old POS that is barely worth spending money on, I will start filling on the low side, and use a screwdriver to crack open the high side, and bleed some refrigerant out....maybe half a can worth. This does a decent job of purging most of the air out. I wouldn't do this on a vehicle that was worth much, but if you're looking to just get it charged, it will suffice.
Thanks for the advice! The vehicle is not worth much at all, definitely not enough to have a professional repair done. I'll try it and see what I get, no cold air is no worse off than I am now!
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Remember that there is refrigerant oil in there also...depends on where it leaked as to whether any oil leaked out with the freon.
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Remember that there is refrigerant oil in there also...depends on where it leaked as to whether any oil leaked out with the freon.
Can I just add a little oil in case it's all gone?
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Originally Posted by mdchaser
Can I just add a little oil in case it's all gone?
I think you can get freon with oil in it.
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Originally Posted by mdchaser
Can I just add a little oil in case it's all gone?
You don't want too much oil, or oil that is incompatible. If you know where the leak was, you can see if it shows signs of oil seepage. Usually, if you're not replacing the compressor, condenser, evap, or accumulator, you don't HAVE to add more oil, as that is where most of it settles.

And yes, you can get R-134a with oil in it, as mentioned above...You could prob put one can of refrigerant/oil/stop leak/leak detector, and the rest pure refrigerant.
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Try this.

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/i...archTerm=freon
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Good idea, I have no idea if it leaked or if the compressor simply failed catastrophically and vented the system so checking for a leak and using stop leak would probably be a good idea.
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Originally Posted by mdchaser
Good idea, I have no idea if it leaked or if the compressor simply failed catastrophically and vented the system so checking for a leak and using stop leak would probably be a good idea.
Can you turn the compressor by hand, to verify that it isn't locked up, before you spend the money on refrigerant? If it failed catastrophically, then you have a bunch of parts to replace, due to shrapnel going through the system.
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Thanks for the link! No Advanced stores in my area but I'm sure I can find it somewhere else.
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Originally Posted by MyLS1Hauls
Can you turn the compressor by hand, to verify that it isn't locked up, before you spend the money on refrigerant? If it failed catastrophically, then you have a bunch of parts to replace, due to shrapnel going through the system.
The original froze completely so I replaced it with a re-man. The truck isn't worth enough to do the job right, if a simple re-charge doesn't do it then it's done for good. If it fails again I'm just going to replace it with a pulley, this is one old beat up truck otherwise I'd spend the time to do it right!
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If you replaced the compressor, then I would expect that the system will need some oil because the old compressor had some in it.
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Originally Posted by MyLS1Hauls
If I'm working on an old POS that is barely worth spending money on, I will start filling on the low side, and use a screwdriver to crack open the high side, and bleed some refrigerant out....maybe half a can worth. This does a decent job of purging most of the air out. I wouldn't do this on a vehicle that was worth much, but if you're looking to just get it charged, it will suffice.
You can purge a little air but you can't remove moisture which is more detrimental. It needs a deep vacuum pull preferably using a micron gauge. Then charge by weight.
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Originally Posted by cclive
If you replaced the compressor, then I would expect that the system will need some oil because the old compressor had some in it.
Yes, now knowing that the compressor was replaced, it needs a few oz. of oil for sure.

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You can purge a little air but you can't remove moisture which is more detrimental. It needs a deep vacuum pull preferably using a micron gauge. Then charge by weight.
Right. I wouldn't do this on something new, but I have done it many times on beaters, and some are still running years later.
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Quick update, I recharged the system using two of the suggested cans of refrigerant and it works! I don't know that it will work forever but for now it blows cold air so thanks everyone!
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