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Old Aug 13, 2015 | 02:51 PM
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Has anyone found an aftermarket LS engine ignition coil that has better real world performance then the OEM?
FAST now has the XR-1A. they state 44,000 volt output
SOS Sultans of Spark states their coil has a 28,000 volt output .
Granatelli states his coils have 85,000 volt output
MSD states the coil output voltage at 44,000.
Pricing from $500 to $800.
OEM coil as per SOS has a 21,000 volt output
My engine builder and tuner said that the OEM is all that is needed unless you have 1500 HP 30 psi boosted race engine.

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The builder is right. Don't waste your money.

What are you trying to get out of "better" coils anyways?
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The builder is right. Don't waste your money.

What are you trying to get out of "better" coils anyways?
My engine has a radical cam and a 12.4:1 c.r. so I am looking into optimizing ignition.
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The stock coils will make it go boom. The rest is snake oil.
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Old Aug 13, 2015 | 09:23 PM
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Don't waste your money. I have Accel coils only because I wanted yellow coils.

The LeMans cars run stock coils.
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What about the claim that you can increase plug gap to .060-065 with the higher voltage. Does a wider gap increase power? If it does how much can the gap be increased with stock coils?
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What about the claim that you can increase plug gap to .060-065 with the higher voltage. Does a wider gap increase power? If it does how much can the gap be increased with stock coils?
All of the CLAIMS with no real data seems to be the aftermarket coil companies MO. That along with increases in HP from 4-40 HP.
I would assume someone has performed tests to see if more voltage & wider gap will increase performance. This is the reason I started this post to see if there was any real world tests out there.
The advertisement for the FAST XR-1A LS high output coils states that the coils were designed specially for high compression, boosted or nitrous equipped application making MORE THAN 1000 HP. It sounds like FAST is being honest in stating (in other words) engines below 1000 HP stick with OEM.
I am dealing with a 12.4:1 C.R. (high compression ratio ?) only 650 HP and NGK said to run the gap on my TR8IX plugs at .038" - .040"

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Only time we have seen a need is really high boosted cars or large nitrous applications. All of the race cars ran OEM coils without any issues. Never had any problems even at 20psi of boost and having them blow out a spark plug.
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They look cool if the aesthetics is your end goal, but high RPM is where they can really help
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Originally Posted by LD85
They look cool if the aesthetics is your end goal, but high RPM is where they can really help
Define high RPM.....

The World Challenge cars spun to 7600 no issues. The COPO cars are turning 8600ish..stock coils.
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So the question was asked, opinions provided, but it sounds like you want them, so just buy them. Who cares what anyone else thinks.
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Originally Posted by Anthony @ LGMotorsports
Define high RPM.....

The World Challenge cars spun to 7600 no issues. The COPO cars are turning 8600ish..stock coils.
Anthony
I just received this in an email from J.R.Granatelli:
Granateli said that the COPO comes standard with his coils. GM tests showed they picked up 1.2 mph which they equated to 17hp at the rear wheels.
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Originally Posted by C6RAPTOR
Anthony
I just received this in an email from J.R.Granatelli:
Granateli said that the COPO comes standard with his coils. GM tests showed they picked up 1.2 mph which they equated to 17hp at the rear wheels.
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I would have to get another car here in the shop but the last one in had GM PN's on them.
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Originally Posted by C6RAPTOR
Anthony
I just received this in an email from J.R.Granatelli:
Granateli said that the COPO comes standard with his coils. GM tests showed they picked up 1.2 mph which they equated to 17hp at the rear wheels.
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Yup, and his spark plug wires are worth another 30HP! Search the web and you will find the info to support form Granatelli.

Like I said, if you are looking for support on the forum to buy they, you will have a long wait. Like I said, if you want them, buy them and move on. Who cares what others think.

COPO Camaro spec sheet, LS7 coils.

http://www.dragzine.com/features/car...heet-released/

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Originally Posted by timd38
Yup, and his spark plug wires are worth another 30HP! Search the web and you will find the info to support form Granatelli.

Like I said, if you are looking for support on the forum to buy they, you will have a long wait. Like I said, if you want them, buy them and move on. Who cares what others think.
This is exactly why I asked the question. Anthony knows that my track Corvette does not have junk non-performing parts.
On the other hand there is always room to improve performance. This improvement process normally involves weeding out the BS..
Thanks for the COPO specs. I will send it to Granatelli.

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Originally Posted by Anthony @ LGMotorsports
Define high RPM.....

The World Challenge cars spun to 7600 no issues. The COPO cars are turning 8600ish..stock coils.
My buddy has a destroked 350 he drag races, he shifts at 8500 RPM, I trust him when he says they are necessary for him
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Originally Posted by LD85
My buddy has a destroked 350 he drag races, he shifts at 8500 RPM, I trust him when he says they are necessary for him
What brand coils ?
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Old Aug 14, 2015 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by C6RAPTOR
What brand coils ?
he uses MSD


http://mmcompetitionengines.com/
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Originally Posted by LD85
That is the feedback I was looking for from CF members.
Feedback from someone that has real world experience.
I will call your friend. The web site does not have an email address.
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Originally Posted by C6RAPTOR
That is the feedback I was looking for from CF members.
Feedback from someone that has real world experience.
I will call your friend. The web site does not have an email address.

M&M = They build his engines, ask them about the destroked 350ci that shifts at 8500, I have not been there in a few years for any engine work.

BUT, as others (LG) has mentioned, if you are shifting at 7k or lower, new coils are not required.
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