What is "full bolt ons"
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What is "full bolt ons"
Just wondering what exactly would you call "full bolt on??" Intake, and headers or would you guys consider more to it? I'm trying to do every "full bolt on" I can before going the cam route. I want to do that last? I've already got the intake, and longtubes, and 160 stat. Look at an MSD manifold also
What kind of power can I expect before cam with all full bolt ons?
Platform is 09 Z06
What kind of power can I expect before cam with all full bolt ons?
Platform is 09 Z06
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To me "full bolt ons" means complete exhaust this includes headers, air intake, possible intake manifold. A bolt on car basically means simple modifications that can be bolted on but people debate this to their death.
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IMO, it means anything that can be bolted onto the engine, without opening up the engine. So headers, intake manifold, injectors, tune, and anything such as that.
Cam, heads, internals, all of that would be beyond bolt on. Technically one could make the argument that you just "bolt on" a turbo, nitrous, or a supercharger. But I would say that goes beyond bolt ons.
Cam, heads, internals, all of that would be beyond bolt on. Technically one could make the argument that you just "bolt on" a turbo, nitrous, or a supercharger. But I would say that goes beyond bolt ons.
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I have to agree there also. Forced induction is beyond that lol.
Injectors...haven't looked into that. So I guess I'm halfway there.
Just need intake manifold, throttle body, injectors, axle back is that what your meaning by "full exhaust" cause I have longtubes no cats.
Anyone ever heard of a "power wedge" lol? Thoughts on that?
Injectors...haven't looked into that. So I guess I'm halfway there.
Just need intake manifold, throttle body, injectors, axle back is that what your meaning by "full exhaust" cause I have longtubes no cats.
Anyone ever heard of a "power wedge" lol? Thoughts on that?
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Full bolt on doesnt really have a set meaning. It can be as simple as a header back, intake, and intake manifold. Or actually be "full" bolt ons and have headerback, intake, intake manifold, throttle body, underdrive pulley, electric water pump, etc.
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Just wondering what exactly would you call "full bolt on??" Intake, and headers or would you guys consider more to it? I'm trying to do every "full bolt on" I can before going the cam route. I want to do that last? I've already got the intake, and longtubes, and 160 stat. Look at an MSD manifold also
What kind of power can I expect before cam with all full bolt ons?
Platform is 09 Z06
What kind of power can I expect before cam with all full bolt ons?
Platform is 09 Z06
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Seriously, I freakin cringe whenever I hear somebody use that phrase because what they're really saying is this - "I just paid some shop a ton of money to do a few mods to my car but I really don't have a clue what they were and despite that fact I'm pretty sure the car is much faster now, or at least that's what the shop told me..."
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No need to get butt hurt and throw a rod over asking a simple question. If that's not the correct term then simply correct it. In an educated fashion. I said "full bolt on" in quotes because everyone would simply know what I was talking about without a whole write up/break down of what I'm talking about. Chill!
I simply just want to do everything I can that's worth it to my car before opening up the motor to see where I stand before getting a cam and throwing away my stock drive-ability. I asked to make sure I'm not missing anything. We learn everyday my man.
I simply just want to do everything I can that's worth it to my car before opening up the motor to see where I stand before getting a cam and throwing away my stock drive-ability. I asked to make sure I'm not missing anything. We learn everyday my man.
Burning Brakes
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here on this forum "bolt ons' mean nothing internal of the engine but you can swap gears and do all the trans work you want. I know swapping gears or converters isn't a bolt on but in this forum they are.
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Seriously, I freakin cringe whenever I hear somebody use that phrase because what they're really saying is this - "I just paid some shop a ton of money to do a few mods to my car but I really don't have a clue what they were and despite that fact I'm pretty sure the car is much faster now, or at least that's what the shop told me..."
I changed the converter and differential in my car. If those are "bolt-ons" for a C6, then pretty much anything can be considered a bolt on!
On the other hand, I "bolted on" a Magnuson supercharger, without even cracking a screw on the valve covers, but that's definitely not a bolt-on, according to the CF glossary! Go figure...
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Basically other then show room stock, and no internal modifications that touch engine oil or forced induction, is where bolt/ons fall. it was adopted from LS1 tech so there would be full uniformity among the gm forums. I dont think anyone could ever have full bolt/ons as you can have so many combinations and home made stuff.
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Basically other then show room stock, and no internal modifications that touch engine oil or forced induction, is where bolt/ons fall. it was adopted from LS1 tech so there would be full uniformity among the gm forums. I dont think anyone could ever have full bolt/ons as you can have so many combinations and home made stuff.
Strangely, the line is fairly clear between bolt-ons and internals, since anything touching oil is considered internal. Except that oil coolers, dry sumps, and catch cans are exempt.
However, power adders include superchargers, turbos, and NOS, yet you can use meth and fuel additives other than pump gasoline and those are still considered bolt-ons.
So the bottom line is, if it's not bone stock and you don't add FI/NOS or open up the engine, everything else is a bolt-on.
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Back in my day, bolt-ons were considered anything you could do to the outside of your engine, in your own garage, with simple hand tools. Aftermarket manufacturers used to go out of their way using phrases like "simple bolt-on installation". Once you started renting engine hoists, dropping transmissions, or donning a welding visor, you had moved out of bolt-on territory.
Somewhere, along the way, I think ease of installation got lost as a part of the definition. All that said, I mostly agree that it is a terribly vague term, and always has been. "full bolt on" just takes that vagueness to a whole new level.
Somewhere, along the way, I think ease of installation got lost as a part of the definition. All that said, I mostly agree that it is a terribly vague term, and always has been. "full bolt on" just takes that vagueness to a whole new level.
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I kinda sorta maybe agree a little bit.
Strangely, the line is fairly clear between bolt-ons and internals, since anything touching oil is considered internal. Except that oil coolers, dry sumps, and catch cans are exempt.
However, power adders include superchargers, turbos, and NOS, yet you can use meth and fuel additives other than pump gasoline and those are still considered bolt-ons.
So the bottom line is, if it's not bone stock and you don't add FI/NOS or open up the engine, everything else is a bolt-on.
Strangely, the line is fairly clear between bolt-ons and internals, since anything touching oil is considered internal. Except that oil coolers, dry sumps, and catch cans are exempt.
However, power adders include superchargers, turbos, and NOS, yet you can use meth and fuel additives other than pump gasoline and those are still considered bolt-ons.
So the bottom line is, if it's not bone stock and you don't add FI/NOS or open up the engine, everything else is a bolt-on.
thats exactly what I said isn't it? except you can do any type of weight reduction except the bone stock class, and I agree 100% with it should be pump gas up to 93 octane fuel, could we use nitro methane?
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To answer the primary question as to power with the proper cam, porting and polishing the factory heads and port matching the factory intake manifold with a good tune and cai headers and x pipe you should get 580-600 rwhp hope that helps Might get more than that but you should hit at least 580 plus
No need for a aftermarket intake manifold or throttle body unless you just want it bc you have the extra money and want the few extra ponies. If not spend 1050 or so. Getting the factory heads worked and port match the runners of
The factory intake manifold. If you buy an aftermarket intake get those runners port matched to the runners on the heads. 👍🏼
No need for a aftermarket intake manifold or throttle body unless you just want it bc you have the extra money and want the few extra ponies. If not spend 1050 or so. Getting the factory heads worked and port match the runners of
The factory intake manifold. If you buy an aftermarket intake get those runners port matched to the runners on the heads. 👍🏼
Last edited by Sid1231987; Mar 6, 2016 at 01:51 AM.