Dealer blew my engine.
05-06-2016, 09:13 PM
#81
IMHO - when the replacement engine is installed, and the car is running - and you're there to take delivery - try to take the for a somewhat "extended" test drive before you sign on the dotted line If there are problems - it typically far easier to get them resolved before you sign than after. .
Try out as many systems as possible on the test ride, a tremendous amount of things need to be disassembled to replace an engine in any modern car - let alone a C6 - and even with the best techs around - it's relatively easy to overlook things....
The bottom line is that this is a $10K + job. If you look at the cost of a regular LS3 Crate engine, and the cost for 20 plus hours of labor - you're at about the $10K mark. If you add in all the misc. parts that are going to be changed out as well - the original dealer whose tech screwed up the oil change is losing a lot of money. While he's telling you that he'll pay to have everything done right - you don't know what he's telling the Chevy dealership about what he'll write the check for. Even if the Chevy dealership is going him a favor and giving him a lower labor rate than the public would pay - it's still a whole lot of $$$, and the truth is that much of this work will have to be done by one of the most experienced (read that as most expensive) techs in the service dept. My point here is that whenever there is that much money involved is behooves you to keep your "spidey sense" turned up... Be aware of things that don't seem right.... If possible visually verify that the parts that were supposed to be replaced are in fact new. But ... and this is the important part - if there are problems - they can be corrected. You just want to position yourself to be in the best possible position to have them corrected to your satisfaction.
In all honesty - you already did exactly what I would have suggested - after you had a bit of time to digest what happened - you went out and looked to see if there were other similar cars out there. You didn't find much - so you decided that this car was worth sticking with. You say you plan to keep it for a long while - so the engine replacement that will show up on the "Car-Fax" and it's potential to turn away future buyers isn't all that important to you. OK !!! You did your research, you weighed the alternatives and you made an informed decision !!!
If you have kept up with the news on the C7's - it seems that Chevy failed to properly clear chips after one of the oil passage / oil filter machining operations, and several hundred C7 motors expired (including one that a National Car Mag was testing) as a result. Every one of those new C7 owners got essentially what you're getting here - a new engine (but in the C7 case - I'm sure that the factory authorized only the bare minimum of replacement parts be changed out). At least you had the opportunity to decide if you wanted to stay in the deal - the C7 owners got no choices at all !
I really hope everything works out at least as well as you are hoping for !!!
GOOD LUCK with her and ENJOY !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Try out as many systems as possible on the test ride, a tremendous amount of things need to be disassembled to replace an engine in any modern car - let alone a C6 - and even with the best techs around - it's relatively easy to overlook things....
The bottom line is that this is a $10K + job. If you look at the cost of a regular LS3 Crate engine, and the cost for 20 plus hours of labor - you're at about the $10K mark. If you add in all the misc. parts that are going to be changed out as well - the original dealer whose tech screwed up the oil change is losing a lot of money. While he's telling you that he'll pay to have everything done right - you don't know what he's telling the Chevy dealership about what he'll write the check for. Even if the Chevy dealership is going him a favor and giving him a lower labor rate than the public would pay - it's still a whole lot of $$$, and the truth is that much of this work will have to be done by one of the most experienced (read that as most expensive) techs in the service dept. My point here is that whenever there is that much money involved is behooves you to keep your "spidey sense" turned up... Be aware of things that don't seem right.... If possible visually verify that the parts that were supposed to be replaced are in fact new. But ... and this is the important part - if there are problems - they can be corrected. You just want to position yourself to be in the best possible position to have them corrected to your satisfaction.
In all honesty - you already did exactly what I would have suggested - after you had a bit of time to digest what happened - you went out and looked to see if there were other similar cars out there. You didn't find much - so you decided that this car was worth sticking with. You say you plan to keep it for a long while - so the engine replacement that will show up on the "Car-Fax" and it's potential to turn away future buyers isn't all that important to you. OK !!! You did your research, you weighed the alternatives and you made an informed decision !!!
If you have kept up with the news on the C7's - it seems that Chevy failed to properly clear chips after one of the oil passage / oil filter machining operations, and several hundred C7 motors expired (including one that a National Car Mag was testing) as a result. Every one of those new C7 owners got essentially what you're getting here - a new engine (but in the C7 case - I'm sure that the factory authorized only the bare minimum of replacement parts be changed out). At least you had the opportunity to decide if you wanted to stay in the deal - the C7 owners got no choices at all !
I really hope everything works out at least as well as you are hoping for !!!
GOOD LUCK with her and ENJOY !!!!!!!!!!!!!
05-07-2016, 01:21 AM
#82
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I would have likely made the same decision you made if it happened to my 2012 Grand Sport... I spent six months looking for the exact color and options.
Side note-- LS3 crate motors are extremely well built .. and several of my friends have swapped out their LS2 motors for a LS3 crate and had no issues.
Side note-- LS3 crate motors are extremely well built .. and several of my friends have swapped out their LS2 motors for a LS3 crate and had no issues.
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Rjhctrapp (05-07-2016)
05-07-2016, 01:26 AM
#83
I would have likely made the same decision you made if it happened to my 2012 Grand Sport... I spent six months looking for the exact color and options.
Side note-- LS3 crate motors are extremely well built .. and several of my friends have swapped out their LS2 motors for a LS3 crate and had no issues.
Side note-- LS3 crate motors are extremely well built .. and several of my friends have swapped out their LS2 motors for a LS3 crate and had no issues.
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Rjhctrapp (05-07-2016)
05-07-2016, 04:22 PM
#84
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IMHO - when the replacement engine is installed, and the car is running - and you're there to take delivery - try to take the for a somewhat "extended" test drive before you sign on the dotted line If there are problems - it typically far easier to get them resolved before you sign than after. .
Try out as many systems as possible on the test ride, a tremendous amount of things need to be disassembled to replace an engine in any modern car - let alone a C6 - and even with the best techs around - it's relatively easy to overlook things....
The bottom line is that this is a $10K + job. If you look at the cost of a regular LS3 Crate engine, and the cost for 20 plus hours of labor - you're at about the $10K mark. If you add in all the misc. parts that are going to be changed out as well - the original dealer whose tech screwed up the oil change is losing a lot of money. While he's telling you that he'll pay to have everything done right - you don't know what he's telling the Chevy dealership about what he'll write the check for. Even if the Chevy dealership is going him a favor and giving him a lower labor rate than the public would pay - it's still a whole lot of $$$, and the truth is that much of this work will have to be done by one of the most experienced (read that as most expensive) techs in the service dept. My point here is that whenever there is that much money involved is behooves you to keep your "spidey sense" turned up... Be aware of things that don't seem right.... If possible visually verify that the parts that were supposed to be replaced are in fact new. But ... and this is the important part - if there are problems - they can be corrected. You just want to position yourself to be in the best possible position to have them corrected to your satisfaction.
In all honesty - you already did exactly what I would have suggested - after you had a bit of time to digest what happened - you went out and looked to see if there were other similar cars out there. You didn't find much - so you decided that this car was worth sticking with. You say you plan to keep it for a long while - so the engine replacement that will show up on the "Car-Fax" and it's potential to turn away future buyers isn't all that important to you. OK !!! You did your research, you weighed the alternatives and you made an informed decision !!!
If you have kept up with the news on the C7's - it seems that Chevy failed to properly clear chips after one of the oil passage / oil filter machining operations, and several hundred C7 motors expired (including one that a National Car Mag was testing) as a result. Every one of those new C7 owners got essentially what you're getting here - a new engine (but in the C7 case - I'm sure that the factory authorized only the bare minimum of replacement parts be changed out). At least you had the opportunity to decide if you wanted to stay in the deal - the C7 owners got no choices at all !
I really hope everything works out at least as well as you are hoping for !!!
GOOD LUCK with her and ENJOY !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Try out as many systems as possible on the test ride, a tremendous amount of things need to be disassembled to replace an engine in any modern car - let alone a C6 - and even with the best techs around - it's relatively easy to overlook things....
The bottom line is that this is a $10K + job. If you look at the cost of a regular LS3 Crate engine, and the cost for 20 plus hours of labor - you're at about the $10K mark. If you add in all the misc. parts that are going to be changed out as well - the original dealer whose tech screwed up the oil change is losing a lot of money. While he's telling you that he'll pay to have everything done right - you don't know what he's telling the Chevy dealership about what he'll write the check for. Even if the Chevy dealership is going him a favor and giving him a lower labor rate than the public would pay - it's still a whole lot of $$$, and the truth is that much of this work will have to be done by one of the most experienced (read that as most expensive) techs in the service dept. My point here is that whenever there is that much money involved is behooves you to keep your "spidey sense" turned up... Be aware of things that don't seem right.... If possible visually verify that the parts that were supposed to be replaced are in fact new. But ... and this is the important part - if there are problems - they can be corrected. You just want to position yourself to be in the best possible position to have them corrected to your satisfaction.
In all honesty - you already did exactly what I would have suggested - after you had a bit of time to digest what happened - you went out and looked to see if there were other similar cars out there. You didn't find much - so you decided that this car was worth sticking with. You say you plan to keep it for a long while - so the engine replacement that will show up on the "Car-Fax" and it's potential to turn away future buyers isn't all that important to you. OK !!! You did your research, you weighed the alternatives and you made an informed decision !!!
If you have kept up with the news on the C7's - it seems that Chevy failed to properly clear chips after one of the oil passage / oil filter machining operations, and several hundred C7 motors expired (including one that a National Car Mag was testing) as a result. Every one of those new C7 owners got essentially what you're getting here - a new engine (but in the C7 case - I'm sure that the factory authorized only the bare minimum of replacement parts be changed out). At least you had the opportunity to decide if you wanted to stay in the deal - the C7 owners got no choices at all !
I really hope everything works out at least as well as you are hoping for !!!
GOOD LUCK with her and ENJOY !!!!!!!!!!!!!
05-07-2016, 04:44 PM
#85
Melting Slicks
One addendum to add to the parts to be replaced: The aux tank mounted on the side of the dry sump tank. Fro GM service bulliten.
2015 Chevrolet Corvette | Corvette Service Manual 7527625 | Bulletins By Category | Technical | Document ID: 2323131
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Engine Oil Tank Debris Caution
Caution: If any malfunction is experienced which may cause debris to enter the oil supply, you must clean the main engine oil tank, replace the auxiliary oil tank, the engine oil hoses and the engine oil cooler. Debris in the engine oil tank, engine oil hoses and engine oil cooler may be pulled back into the engine causing severe engine damage.
2015 Chevrolet Corvette | Corvette Service Manual 7527625 | Bulletins By Category | Technical | Document ID: 2323130
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Engine Oil Cooler Debris Caution
Caution: If any malfunction is experienced which may cause debris to enter the oil supply, You must replace the engine oil cooler and hoses. Debris in the engine oil cooler and oil cooler hoses may be pulled back into the engine causing severe engine damage.
2015 Chevrolet Corvette | Corvette Service Manual 7527625 | Bulletins By Category | Technical | Document ID: 2323131
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Engine Oil Tank Debris Caution
Caution: If any malfunction is experienced which may cause debris to enter the oil supply, you must clean the main engine oil tank, replace the auxiliary oil tank, the engine oil hoses and the engine oil cooler. Debris in the engine oil tank, engine oil hoses and engine oil cooler may be pulled back into the engine causing severe engine damage.
2015 Chevrolet Corvette | Corvette Service Manual 7527625 | Bulletins By Category | Technical | Document ID: 2323130
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Engine Oil Cooler Debris Caution
Caution: If any malfunction is experienced which may cause debris to enter the oil supply, You must replace the engine oil cooler and hoses. Debris in the engine oil cooler and oil cooler hoses may be pulled back into the engine causing severe engine damage.
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05-08-2016, 06:41 PM
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Thanks and I know, it's a lot to read. I'm confident all will be well. I'm a ford guy that also is an enthusiast but I've always loved corvettes and when the Grand Sport made its grand entrance in 2010, I vowed to own one. This is it. I had a 2006 GTO and it was a cool car except the strut rub and destroyed suspension it had from shipping. This is our unicorn and we are committed.
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Rjhctrapp (05-11-2016)
05-11-2016, 11:22 AM
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Most likely it's a crate motor already in stock, so it'll have a serial number on it. The dealer is blowing smoke up your ***...if anything, he's probably going to swap the decals from the blown motor to the knew one. Serializing a replacement motor to the car...seems dishonest to have matching numbers when the motor is not the original.
But what do I know...I'm just one of the negative commentors that doesn't know what he's talking about.
But what do I know...I'm just one of the negative commentors that doesn't know what he's talking about.
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05-11-2016, 12:04 PM
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MAN,,,,,,,,, What a STORY! 
When the repair is ALL SAID AND DONE,, take the car for a inspection drive. Pay very close attention to the any abnormal DRIVE TRAIN VIBRATIONS. They will usually show up between 2000-4000 RPM but can happen anywhere in the RPM Range.
ALL C5/C6/C7 MN6/MN12 cars have the engines FINIAL HOT BALANCED to a finer degree than an Automatic equipped Corvette.
If you detect ANY abnormal vibrations, that's a BIG issue and something that will need to be addressed.
Hopefully it will be SMOOTH AS SILK!
Bill
When the repair is ALL SAID AND DONE,, take the car for a inspection drive. Pay very close attention to the any abnormal DRIVE TRAIN VIBRATIONS. They will usually show up between 2000-4000 RPM but can happen anywhere in the RPM Range.
ALL C5/C6/C7 MN6/MN12 cars have the engines FINIAL HOT BALANCED to a finer degree than an Automatic equipped Corvette.
If you detect ANY abnormal vibrations, that's a BIG issue and something that will need to be addressed.
Hopefully it will be SMOOTH AS SILK!
Bill
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05-11-2016, 01:39 PM
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<-----See my avatar picture...that would have been me when they asked, "We'll have the motor replaced...still want the car?"
There are a bunch of GS's near your town...not sure why you'd want to deal with that mess.
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...nd+Sport&Log=0
There are a bunch of GS's near your town...not sure why you'd want to deal with that mess.
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...nd+Sport&Log=0
05-11-2016, 03:07 PM
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05-11-2016, 03:09 PM
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MAN,,,,,,,,, What a STORY!
When the repair is ALL SAID AND DONE,, take the car for a inspection drive. Pay very close attention to the any abnormal DRIVE TRAIN VIBRATIONS. They will usually show up between 2000-4000 RPM but can happen anywhere in the RPM Range.
ALL C5/C6/C7 MN6/MN12 cars have the engines FINIAL HOT BALANCED to a finer degree than an Automatic equipped Corvette.
If you detect ANY abnormal vibrations, that's a BIG issue and something that will need to be addressed.
Hopefully it will be SMOOTH AS SILK!
Bill
When the repair is ALL SAID AND DONE,, take the car for a inspection drive. Pay very close attention to the any abnormal DRIVE TRAIN VIBRATIONS. They will usually show up between 2000-4000 RPM but can happen anywhere in the RPM Range.
ALL C5/C6/C7 MN6/MN12 cars have the engines FINIAL HOT BALANCED to a finer degree than an Automatic equipped Corvette.
If you detect ANY abnormal vibrations, that's a BIG issue and something that will need to be addressed.
Hopefully it will be SMOOTH AS SILK!
Bill
05-11-2016, 03:12 PM
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<-----See my avatar picture...that would have been me when they asked, "We'll have the motor replaced...still want the car?"
There are a bunch of GS's near your town...not sure why you'd want to deal with that mess.
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...nd+Sport&Log=0
There are a bunch of GS's near your town...not sure why you'd want to deal with that mess.
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...nd+Sport&Log=0
05-11-2016, 03:16 PM
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Hopefully it goes well.
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05-13-2016, 03:53 PM
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I did meet the tech that will be performing the swap. He's my age and has done several C5 and C6 engine swaps not to mention numerous Camaro engines.
Kinda put my mind at ease. All this nice weather and seems like all I see on the road is corvettes with the tops out and enjoying the drive. Just miss the heck out of my car. Being patient though.
05-13-2016, 04:10 PM
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