Not as described
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Heel & Toe
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From: Allenton WI
Not as described
So I found out today that the new Toy I just bought was not what was advertised.
06' and was told it had LS3 top and bottom end with the A&A charger pushing 750 at the crank.
After some heavy digging and talking with the shop that tuned it, the car is a stock LS2 not making close to the claimed HP.
SO much for trusting the dealer to provide accurate info. They were supposed to gather all the receipts and build sheet from previous owner. After days of hearing excuses, I started digging and found this out.
Here is the add for your viewing pleasure. Oh yeah, the car wasn't even built in TX either....
https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/c...250159402.html
Very disappointed. I had envisioned 1,000 rwhp over the winter had it had the correct internals.
Very frustrated after spending this money and paying cash for a car that isn't what was described......
06' and was told it had LS3 top and bottom end with the A&A charger pushing 750 at the crank.
After some heavy digging and talking with the shop that tuned it, the car is a stock LS2 not making close to the claimed HP.
SO much for trusting the dealer to provide accurate info. They were supposed to gather all the receipts and build sheet from previous owner. After days of hearing excuses, I started digging and found this out.
Here is the add for your viewing pleasure. Oh yeah, the car wasn't even built in TX either....
https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/c...250159402.html
Very disappointed. I had envisioned 1,000 rwhp over the winter had it had the correct internals.
Very frustrated after spending this money and paying cash for a car that isn't what was described......
Last edited by Poppy828; Aug 15, 2017 at 03:25 PM.
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Heel & Toe
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From: Allenton WI
How amazing that the craigslist add was already deleted.
I went to the dealer and the GM called me an ******* for calling them misleading liars and then told me to get out. Wouldn't even talk nor give me corporates info. He stayed he didn't answer to anyone and he didn't need to provide me any info other than I wasn't welcome in his dealership and to get the F out.
I went to the dealer and the GM called me an ******* for calling them misleading liars and then told me to get out. Wouldn't even talk nor give me corporates info. He stayed he didn't answer to anyone and he didn't need to provide me any info other than I wasn't welcome in his dealership and to get the F out.
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How amazing that the craigslist add was already deleted.
I went to the dealer and the GM called me an ******* for calling them misleading liars and then told me to get out. Wouldn't even talk nor give me corporates info. He stayed he didn't answer to anyone and he didn't need to provide me any info other than I wasn't welcome in his dealership and to get the F out.
I went to the dealer and the GM called me an ******* for calling them misleading liars and then told me to get out. Wouldn't even talk nor give me corporates info. He stayed he didn't answer to anyone and he didn't need to provide me any info other than I wasn't welcome in his dealership and to get the F out.
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Heel & Toe
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From: Allenton WI
Amazing isn't it. Paid cash for a vehicle that was falsely advertised and I'm the ******* and get kicked out.
Local media will be contacted for sure as well as BBB. I also contacted Craigslist to see what they can do to resurrect the add for me so I can get all the information.
Local media will be contacted for sure as well as BBB. I also contacted Craigslist to see what they can do to resurrect the add for me so I can get all the information.
Last edited by Poppy828; Aug 15, 2017 at 05:51 PM.
Melting Slicks
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From: Woodland CA
I am confused. Did you not look at the car before buying it? While it might be hard to see LS3 parts vs LS2, you should have been able to clearly see the A&A supercharger vs a completely stock LS2/LS3.
I also don't understand the part about being built in TX. All corvettes are built in Bowling Green, KY
Maybe I am missing something since I can't see the ad.
I also don't understand the part about being built in TX. All corvettes are built in Bowling Green, KY
Maybe I am missing something since I can't see the ad.
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Heel & Toe
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From: Allenton WI
I most certainly did look at the car. It does have the supercharger. The part that wasn't correct were the LS3 internals and 750 crank hp.
The TX part was the fact I was informed the "performance" motor was built in TX.
Thasbtenissue amd not not as described.
The TX part was the fact I was informed the "performance" motor was built in TX.
Thasbtenissue amd not not as described.
Racer
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"LS3 internals" dont mean squat. Its an entirely different motor. You dont just "drop LS3 internals into an LS2" and then make 1000whp.
If you thought it had a completely built motor and didnt ask for a cent of proof you made a monumental mistake.
If you thought it had a completely built motor and didnt ask for a cent of proof you made a monumental mistake.
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Heel & Toe
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From: Allenton WI
The springs and Rods were upgraded with the cam yes. Far from a built LS3 top and bottom end though as advertised. Short of tearing the car apart, I wouldn't have known. I will take a look at the castings and aee
What they are. My guess is stock.
What they are. My guess is stock.
Racer
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From: Manayunk PA
I hate the term "built"... is it together? Well... it was built wasn't it. That's a vague term.
Nothing is done to the heads to make them physically stronger either (unless changing to an aftermarket head with a thicker deck or a better material like LS9 heads).
Stock heads are a 243 casting, if you have square port heads they'll be a 821 or 823 casting
Nothing is done to the heads to make them physically stronger either (unless changing to an aftermarket head with a thicker deck or a better material like LS9 heads).
Stock heads are a 243 casting, if you have square port heads they'll be a 821 or 823 casting
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Heel & Toe
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From: Allenton WI
I can only share was was told to me and was was written in the classified add. I did my due diligence and looked the car over best I was able to while in the lot. I was assured that the top and bottom end were done with LS3 components. I said heads and all and they said yes. Maybe my mistake was not looking at the casting at that time, but I honestly didn't know what the casting numbers were. Shame on me I guess for not doing my homework. Lesson learned I spose.
I guess I will just have to live with what I have and make it the best I can until I figure out something else.
I guess I will just have to live with what I have and make it the best I can until I figure out something else.
Racer
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From: CT
i actually saw the post in your link yesterday, it said something of the sorts around 750 crank hp (meaning... we have no idea)
not sure the dealer is to blame.
if it was me in your shoes a test drive would have revealed the lack of 750+ hp... i would have had it checked out by someone to confirm what i was buying.
not sure the dealer is to blame.
if it was me in your shoes a test drive would have revealed the lack of 750+ hp... i would have had it checked out by someone to confirm what i was buying.
Race Director
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From: Bay Area Ca.
Well my thinking is at this point, if you got the money to waste on obtaining a 1000 hp car you just start over with the engine and do it right and your way.
Not much can be shorted running 1000 hp, just do it correctly with no guessing on whats been done already.
And I do not get the LS3 parts thing at all, means nothing at all.
Not much can be shorted running 1000 hp, just do it correctly with no guessing on whats been done already.
And I do not get the LS3 parts thing at all, means nothing at all.
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Heel & Toe
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From: Allenton WI
I have already been in contact with Joe from Corpse Performance.
Bottom line is this....
I was told the top end was an LS3 along with tre bottom end. This is not the case from what I have learned from the shop that tuned the car.
I was also told and this was in the add that the brand new trans was rated for 1,200hp. This is not the case at all and it's rated for half that.
I was told all the motor work was performed in TX. Not the case again.
Its a fact of false advertising and that is my hang up. Could I have done more on my end? We always can. It's amazing that the add mysteriously disappeared after I informed the dealer that this car was not as advertised. They even stated that the pictures that I saved weren't from the lot of said dealer and the pictures of the add weren't of this car or the phone number wasn't theirs and they have no idea what "that" add was since it didn't come from them.
That is the hang up. Blatant lies to a customer that paid cash for a car that isn't what is was described to be. If I am fault then I guess shame on me.
Bottom line is this....
I was told the top end was an LS3 along with tre bottom end. This is not the case from what I have learned from the shop that tuned the car.
I was also told and this was in the add that the brand new trans was rated for 1,200hp. This is not the case at all and it's rated for half that.
I was told all the motor work was performed in TX. Not the case again.
Its a fact of false advertising and that is my hang up. Could I have done more on my end? We always can. It's amazing that the add mysteriously disappeared after I informed the dealer that this car was not as advertised. They even stated that the pictures that I saved weren't from the lot of said dealer and the pictures of the add weren't of this car or the phone number wasn't theirs and they have no idea what "that" add was since it didn't come from them.
That is the hang up. Blatant lies to a customer that paid cash for a car that isn't what is was described to be. If I am fault then I guess shame on me.
Last edited by Poppy828; Aug 16, 2017 at 10:20 AM.
Team Owner
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From: Gilbert AZ
If you are concerned with HP, always get it dynoed before purchase. Even that being said, dynos vary so much. Plus people apply all sorts of dumb corrections. I could claim my car makes 1500-1600hp if I wanted to, just because it has dynoed 1200rwhp.
As for the rest, yes it sucks, but buying a used car is always buyer beware. You should have verified the ls3 parts prior to paying, or got it in clear writing as part of the sale.
LS3 intake manifold can easily be identified just buy popping the hood.
As for the rest, yes it sucks, but buying a used car is always buyer beware. You should have verified the ls3 parts prior to paying, or got it in clear writing as part of the sale.
LS3 intake manifold can easily be identified just buy popping the hood.
Melting Slicks
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From: Indianapolis IN
You really should have saved the ad. I am curious how you were acting in the dealer to get them to tell you to get the **** out. That is pretty extreme even if they want to blow you off.