Service fuel system message
Some background info:
I bought the car in September 2017, shortly after I noticed fuel smell and took it in to get the fuel pump replaced under the extended warranty. While they had it apart they noticed the fuel tank had a crack, so I had them replace that too. The last time I filed it up before putting it away that winter I got a check engine light. Can't remember exactly what it was, but I replaced the vapor canister vent valve/ solenoid, and it fixed it. Everything has been fine since. I recently decided to run some gm fuel system treatment plus through it to keep things working good. So I dumped in 18oz and filled up with top tier fuel. Ran it until the low fuel warning came on, and then put in $100 of fuel (which with today's fuel prices brought me up to just over 5/8 tank, I'm in Canada). Went for a drive, and after about 20 min I noticed the service fuel system warning, zero fuel gauge, and low fuel warning.
After doing a search, it seems like the common culprit is the fuel level senders, and the first recommendation is to run some techron through it. But I literally just did that. Is it just coincidence that it happened immediately after using the fuel system cleaner, or immediately after getting fuel? Is it somehow possible that it's from letting it get down low enough to turn on the fuel light? I can't see how, but my dad was with me when it happened, and he was giving me a hard time for letting it get so low, because he thinks 1/2 is empty, so he's convinced that's why. I don't normally let it get that low, I usually fill up around 1/8 of a tank, but I was trying to use all the fuel system cleaner.
Anyway, long story, but the important question is, what could be causing this? Where should I start? Thanks
Edit: Just plugged in my code reader. There's a code for fuel level sensor b. I assume that's passenger side?
Last edited by hubes; May 30, 2022 at 03:31 PM.
The code suggests you have either a transfer system problem (usually caused by an internal leak) or a stuck right-side fuel level sensor.
Also my left tank should be full, I'm just over a half tank
Also my left tank should be full, I'm just over a half tank
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Last edited by hubes; Jun 1, 2022 at 01:04 PM.
Jump the fuel pump relay and empty your fuel line into a gas can. If you fill a 5 gallon can I'd say it's not a transfer issue.
I checked my paperwork from when the fuel pump was replaced and noticed they also replaced the lines inside the tank from the pump to the crossover line. So I'm thinking if there's a transfer issue it pretty much has to be something in the passenger tank. Maybe the best thing to do is change the level sensor and the lines inside the passenger tank? That would rule out everything except the pump in the passenger tank right?
I drove a bit more, until the gauge was reading probably about 7/16, and then took the pan off the bottom of the right tank. There is still fuel. Hard to say how much for sure, but I could hear it sloshing when I shook it, and it's a lot heavier than an empty plastic tank should be. According to the math, if none transfered over since I refueled I would have about 13lbs of fuel in the tank, and I'd say that feels about right. So I thought, ok, definitely a transfer issue. But then I realized, how much can I trust my fuel gauge right now? So I'm going to drive some more, probably down to reading about 1/4 tank and then check again. But gauge seems to be dropping at about the correct rate.
So I'm definitely leaning toward transfer issue. If that's the case, where should I go from there?
I went for a drive (approx 1 hour) and all was well...until I was about 2 minutes from home, then the message came back. I checked the code, and this time it was P0461 which is sensor A. So that threw me for a bit of a loop. Anyway, the biggest reason for the drive was to burn more fuel so I could check how much was now in the passenger tank. So I took the pan off, and the passenger tank was completely empty. So I think it's safe to say it's not a transfer issue.
So I cleared the code and went for another drive, this time about 50 min. And all was well. My understanding is that if there's a problem it should throw a code after 30 min.
So I'm thinking at this point the best thing to do is go for another drive and see what happens. At that point I'll be about due for fuel, so I'll fill up and see if it's still acting up.
Another question: If I drop the passenger tank, am I kind of halfway to dropping the driver tank?
I went for a drive (approx 1 hour) and all was well...until I was about 2 minutes from home, then the message came back. I checked the code, and this time it was P0461 which is sensor A. So that threw me for a bit of a loop. Anyway, the biggest reason for the drive was to burn more fuel so I could check how much was now in the passenger tank. So I took the pan off, and the passenger tank was completely empty. So I think it's safe to say it's not a transfer issue.
So I cleared the code and went for another drive, this time about 50 min. And all was well. My understanding is that if there's a problem it should throw a code after 30 min.
So I'm thinking at this point the best thing to do is go for another drive and see what happens. At that point I'll be about due for fuel, so I'll fill up and see if it's still acting up.
Another question: If I drop the passenger tank, am I kind of halfway to dropping the driver tank?
It would be instructive to know the actual fuel level readings as you burn through a tank. You may be able to read them with your scan tool (depending on the tool), or you could read them directly (albeit inconveniently) with a multimeter.
That said, the fix will likely require dropping both fuel tanks regardless.
If it was me, I would drop both fuel tanks and replace all internal transfer plumbing and both level senders. Your pumps are probably fine.
Before you disassemble each tank, measure the resistance of its level sender as you turn the tank upside down. See if it gets stuck somewhere. Then replace the sender anyway because it's at least 5 years old, and possibly 13 years old, depending on what was actually done back in 2017.
Replace all the transfer hoses and take care to lubricate all the O-rings in engine oil.
Before installing the tank, do the upside-down test again to make sure the new sensor isn't getting stuck. People skip this only to have to do the whole job over.
My scan tool is a cheap one that won't tell me fuel tank voltage. Can you read it with a multimeter without dropping the tanks?
















