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Mods will probably move this to where it needs to be but I happened to be here so I'll answer your question... No most professional tuners do not entirely remove torque management, they just alter some parameters in it. The way you would remove it is with a custom tune but fully disabling it is not typical practice anymore as tuners have learned it does more good than harm.
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Agree on stock motors, but on modified motors, where you just going to burn the tires to the ground with them breaking free every time you breath heavy on the gas pedal, using TM to help keep the tires stuck with what grip they can achieve regarding instantly, is not a bad idea.
Hence TM is base on the instant amount of torque values that the engine can put to the ground, not the total torque that the engine can put to the ground ramping over slightly longer period, so with TM still in play to keep the tire stuck as your gaining speed, its not going to effect the max top end speed of the car, that the engine can ramp up with within the limits of TM to put down all the power of the motor to the ground over all instead..
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Depends, and if doing top end speed runs, maybe not,
and it still boils down to the amount of tire grip to the tarmac in the first place, and pushing 700hp+ to street tires, on the street, it still going to blister the spinning tires off the rims when there is No TM in play to stop the instant amount of torque problem.
Hell, on preped track, its not really TM that limits you, but the amount of G' out of the hole your limit, before something in the drive line that just breaks instead.
And regarding TM over all, it does have it limits, since first test Merc AMG was producing 1Khp, and even with TM in play, AMG had to drop the power down for the TM to be able to work correctly in the end/car not just blister the tires off the rims or hobbling the slower none instant ramp up power instead.
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Actual Torque Management and traction control is banned from F1, but that is not saying that you can not play with some other settings like throttle mapping and waste gate control, to achieve the same isntead.
https://www.racecar-engineering.com/...cret-revealed/
As for the one that really pisses me off, is that AMA allows TC and torque management now that have switched to 4 stroke motors.
Hence back in the two stroke days, not such thing even on the 500 class bikes, and it took real talent to keep the 500 CC bikes from killing you with what the motors where putting out without hobbling (NSR500 and other 500CC two stroke motors put out the same power as the current 1K 4 stroke bikes).
Now its all TC/TM for the classes, including GPMoto, that if the TC/TM system fails on the the bike, they have to quit the race since don't have the talent to control all the power/torque that the bikes can put out in an un-hobbled state isntead.
Last edited by Dano523; Mar 7, 2025 at 07:38 AM.