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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 03:59 PM
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Any info on how this works? My question is if you are standing next to the vehicle with the remote in your pocket, can someone in the driver seat can start car then drive away without the remote in their possesion?
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 04:05 PM
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Makes it very risky letting a stranger take a test drive? I wonder how many will get stolen from dealers that way?
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NO, the car will not start unless a key fob is INSIDE the car.... doors will unlock with it outside the car though..... this is covered in the owners manual and I had also tested it on my Infinity which also has keyless ignition.
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Old Aug 20, 2004 | 02:30 PM
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Makes it very risky letting a stranger take a test drive? I wonder how many will get stolen from dealers that way?
Have you read the thread(s) in this forum about how difficult it is to get a dealer to let you test drive a Vette? Even when they do, most insist on having an employee accompany you. I'd say not very many would get stolen that way.
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I just do not see the sense of a keyless system... what is so wrong with using a key? I will do a search to see if this was already cover in the forum... but I think this is taking technology just a tad too far where is not needed... just more possible point of failures and for those of us that like to keep cars for a long time, just more electronic gremlins to have to deal down the line...
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Old Aug 20, 2004 | 03:33 PM
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I just do not see the sense of a keyless system... what is so wrong with using a key? I will do a search to see if this was already cover in the forum... but I think this is taking technology just a tad too far where is not needed... just more possible point of failures and for those of us that like to keep cars for a long time, just more electronic gremlins to have to deal down the line...
Be sure to include the C6 General Discussion forum in your search.

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Old Aug 20, 2004 | 04:05 PM
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NO, the car will not start unless a key fob is INSIDE the car.... doors will unlock with it outside the car though..... this is covered in the owners manual and I had also tested it on my Infinity which also has keyless ignition.
It is a neat trick.
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Old Aug 20, 2004 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by RedC6Coupe
Have you read the thread(s) in this forum about how difficult it is to get a dealer to let you test drive a Vette? Even when they do, most insist on having an employee accompany you. I'd say not very many would get stolen that way.
I assume that the C6 will be in production for a few years. That being the case, used cars are ususally not a problem getting a test drive in. Private owners often let prospective buyers go for a test drive.

I had an acquaintence who several years ago let some guy steal his car giving a test drive, by passing the guy the keys before he got in the passenger door.


All that being said, It sounds like it's a non-issue.
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What happens if the key fob dies on you suddenly...
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Old Aug 26, 2004 | 10:24 PM
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I do not think keys are so bad. Being a tech to me it's just something else to fix that will be more complex than having a key made. No doubt the car theives are on top of this already and C6. Of course I still like the C6 new body lines
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What happens if the key fob dies on you suddenly...
You use the physical key to open the car and you use the fob recepticle in the dash to start the car.
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The only "new" technology here is the use of triangulation to figure out where the FOB is. That's it. Everything else in the C6's FOB system is used in the C5, but in a different way. There's nothing exceedingly new or complex that will result in problems that couldn't have happened before. Too many people are just afraid of what they don't understand.
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The only "new" technology here is the use of triangulation to figure out where the FOB is. That's it. Everything else in the C6's FOB system is used in the C5, but in a different way. There's nothing exceedingly new or complex that will result in problems that couldn't have happened before. Too many people are just afraid of what they don't understand.
I just don't want to see more problems like the colum lock issue.. that was one "new" technology" POS that didn't need to be the way it was..
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Old Aug 27, 2004 | 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by wachuko
I just do not see the sense of a keyless system... what is so wrong with using a key?
It's not that using a key is bad, it's that a keyless system (as it is in the C6) is better. Now you don't need to fumble for your key to open the door and start the car. Now a thief can't slim jim your door lock. Now you never have to worry about snapping the key off in the (don't laugh, I've seen it happen!)

People like convenience. That's why roll-up windows and manual side mirrors are gone.

I think this is taking technology just a tad too far where is not needed... just more possible point of failures and for those of us that like to keep cars for a long time, just more electronic gremlins to have to deal down the line...
Where are these additional points of failure? There is no type of failure that the C6's lock and ignition system can have that couldn't happen on the C5.
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I just don't want to see more problems like the colum lock issue.. that was one "new" technology" POS that didn't need to be the way it was..
So what technology does the C6's system utilize that the C5 didn't already in some way?

Antennas? Check. Membrane switches? Check. FOB which transmits and communicates with the car? Check. Button? Check. Power door lock? Check.

Other than the triangulation calculation, there's nothing new here. Just a better use of already-used technology.
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Originally Posted by Bans25
What happens if the key fob dies on you suddenly...
Car doesn't stop if it's running. You just can't start it again unless you put it in the fob receptacle in the glove box (I think that's where it is).
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Old Aug 27, 2004 | 07:15 PM
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At least with the coded key the bad guys had to do a trial and error and it took too much time to steal. Now I suppose they just jump in with a bunch of them and off they go unless there is an infinit number of combos, anyone know for sure.
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Now I suppose they just jump in with a bunch of them and off they go unless there is an infinit number of combos, anyone know for sure.
From the owners manual "Each keyless access transmitter is coded to allow only transmitters programmed to your vehicle to work. If a transmitter is lost or stolen a replacement can be purchased and programmed through your GM dealer. Your GM dealer can reprogram your vehicle so lost or stolen transmitters no longer work with your vehicle."

If you'd like to know the process of programming a new transmitter let me know and I'll post that too. But it is a nine step process.
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Old Aug 28, 2004 | 10:58 AM
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So how do you get into the doors with a dead FOB. I heard you can go in the thru the trunk, but doesnt that need a live FOB also?
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