The following may be 'old news' and, if so, please forgive. I did a search on 'Recall' but could not find anything on it:

Recalls

Sat Nov 13 2004

General Motors: 2004, 2005 Cadillac XLR, 2005 Chevrolet Corvette

SPEAKING of blatantly obvious platform sharing, the new Vette and the Caddy XLR roadster appear to be very hot, as in boiling the brake fluid in the rear brake lines. It appears that the tolerances are too close with the left exhaust manifold, and the exhaust pipe.

The overheated fluid could compromise the braking system, making it prone to leaks. One would hope that re-positioned brake lines would be all that is needed. Enjoy the courtesy Cavalier, because your Vette/XLR ***will require replacement of the exhaust manifold, exhaust pipe, the rear differential housing units!!! as well as any brake lines that have been affected***.

Quote recall number 04086.

 

Yes, afraid so, but thanks anyway.

 

I just knew that waiting for the 2nd year production run was going to pay off! Enjoy your time BETA TESTING guys.

 

That's a lame post. Just cuz you can't afford one doesn't mean you should bash the guys who can. In the meantime you can enjoy watching the rest of us get at hot chicks without any effort in our C6s while you wait until the "beta testing" is over.

Oh btw, the so-called C6 recall regarding the brake fluid situation has already been fixed in house. How 'bout them apples son!

 

Yes its even on the NHTSA web site. One should always try to avoid first year GM offerings they are usually more trouble than they are worth.

 

Who said ANYTHING about affordibility here? This post is about defective cars IMO, Fixed in House? What about the 6000 or so cars that went out the door already? Its always a good idea NOT to purchase first year GM offerings, they are usually loaded with problems now and in the future.

 

NOBODY BUY THE FIRST YEAR GM. And then these guys that complain about buying first year won't have the second year to even worry about and then suddenly no new models or the end of GM. Ya, sounds like a good plan to me. I'll be enjoying my BETA model with the power top, thank you. (If it ever leaves the factory)

 

Having had lots of vettes, including three C5's, the problem as I see it is that it often takes years for GM to act on problems that everyone on this forum has been aware of for years, i.e., seat belt recall, column lock, etc. So, it doesn't matter if you "beta test" or not, GM isn't going to react quickly and you do enjoy the car a year sooner.

 

Things in life are rarely 'black and white'...

In this case, there are no absolute guarantees that one will get a (more) problem free vehicle by waiting a year as, as you said, The General more often than not (it seems) does not react as quickly as we might like to many of the problems that inevitably come to be discovered.

That said, however:

a) by waiting until at least the second model year, at least the chance of getting a more problem-free vehicle as better and anything really major (like this) is likely o have been fixed..., and

b) even if The General hasn't, in one's estimation, done all that they should have to fix any particular problem, at least potential buyers will likely have a much better idea of what the problems/problem areas are and can factor that into their buying decision.

Personally (and I'm not trying to **** anyone off here - 'taste' is a very personal thing), having finally had a chance to see up close and sit in a new C6, I'm not overly impressed, especially as compared to the C4->C5 (generation) transition. Overall, there are things that I like about the new C6 (and I am not trying to argue that it hasn't really been 'improved' in many ways) but there are also things that I don't like either and, on balance, I've decided to hang on (at least for now) to my C5.

And, if what I've seen on TV and read in the mags recently is true, I'm starting to feel even better about not jumping in 'year 1' as 'the word' seems to be (again based on what I've seen) that the C6 Z06 will sport the fastback/coupe body style along with more (500???) HP so now things are starting to look more interesting...

Raw performance/numbers aren't everything. (At least to me). If they were, I would have bought a Viper but 'looks', utility/practicality (and other things) are also very important and I (again, personally) just did not like the 'notchback' body style of the C5 Z06.

But the C6 Z06 (again, if rumors are true) is starting to sound interesting and there just might be enough 'in it' (compared to the C5) to make me want to trade up.

 

So far, there are NO Corvettes affected by this recall! Just call GM and ask them. They'll tell you that you are not affected. Given this, I think it is too early to determine how many (if any) C6's are affected by the recall and what they plan to do about it. This "recall" seems to still be in the "contemplating" stage.

Mike

 

Seeing as I could buy and sell you with the change in my car ashtray, I take offense to your moronic comment. However, from your previous posts, I would expect nothing less. And if you NEED your C6 to get hot chicks, then that is really even more sad.

 

Who said anything about girls? With an average buying age of 53 I would hope most of us have already been there and done that. At any rate I have owned 3 brand new redesigns and have yet to have one where anything serious was not fixed. I expect the same in this case. On the other hand each of those cars had problems that they didnt fix for years. Then on the other, other, hand I must say that a couple of things did get fixed for the next model year on one of them. A good example of this would be the antenna for the XM getting moved to a better spot. Sounds like this is going to happen and I did not get XM because of the current location so here is an example of something I gave up to a first year car. At any rate you pay your money and take your chances. Or not.

 

Come on now, there is a recall but no cars are affected? What would you expect some GM rep to tell you?

 

Possibly this is NOT a recall issue, but rather a running change. Frequently manufacturers find a better or improved way to do something and make a change in the position or installation of things.
It sounds like during their thorough testing they discovered that the fluid could reach elevated temperatures during extreme conditions so they repositioned and insulated lines. That is called improving your product! It doesn't mean that every vehicle that was produced with less than optimum positioning should be recalled. I should think that people who race and put their vehicles in extreme conditions for a considerable length of time might want to be aware of the problem.

For that reason I am glad that the issue has been publicized rather than covered up. I tip my hat to GM for their continuing research and development to improve our vehicles.

 

No, crabman, your post makes too much sense. None of the bashers are going to read it.

Sounds to me like GM is still trying to decide about the recall. Have not read of more than 1 or 2 of the 6000+ C6s built having a problem.

Why are so many people that are not buying a 2005 C6 having a problem with those that are (not talking about the originator of this thread - he's just trying to provide info.).

 

Why must these always degenerate into a fight of those with and without?! I've owned 2 C5's, a 2001 and a 2004. Both had major problems (i.e. tow to dealer) within 5000 miles. Neither were first year models.

Bottom line is the auto industry is VERY tough in that real world testing cannot be accelerated nor can low level problems be identified in a small number of test mules.

I have worked in the semiconductor industry for years and am used to dealing with ppm (parts per million) level issues. In analyzing these problems I typically have > 1000 test parts I can look at, sometimes more, and I can accelerate failures.

In the auto industry they don't have these tools. As disappointed as I am when any car has an issue like this, I understand that sometimes all the best engineering in the world will not help avoid it.

Recalls are forgivable, albeit annoying. What isn't forgivable is a recall issue 7 years into the life of a model year 5 years after a problem is first identified (ala column lock).

 

I can attest to the girls thing!!!! chicks dig this car!! And I am only 26!

 

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying there IS NO recall at this time. A recall is when, well, cars are recalled. So far, not a single C6 vehicle has been recalled for this brake line issue. I think it is highly possible that there could eventually be a recall on this issue, but let's not jump the gun. Until we start getting recall notices, there is no recall, period. Facts is facts.

The fact that someone found a 5 digit number doesn't mean anything until the actual cars get recalled. I suspect this issue is being reviewed right now as a potential recall which is why it hasn't made it to the customers yet. Will it? Who knows? That's why this so-called "recall" only gives a "potential number of vehicles affected". If they don't know yet how many vehicles are really affected by the problem, they may eventually discover that the answer is: none... the problem might have been elsewhere.

Mike

 

If I read your post correctly, you are making a statement of fact that there is no recall. I suggest that you do some research before stating something as "fact".

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/pr...ls/results.cfm


EDIT: Seems the link failed. Try nhtsa.gov and do a search yourself or here's a copy.

Make : CHEVROLET Model : CORVETTE Year : 2005
Manufacturer : GENERAL MOTORS CORP.
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 04V525000 Recall Date : OCT 27, 2004
Component: SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:FOUNDATION COMPONENTS:HOSES, LINES/PIPING, AND FITTINGS
Potential Number Of Units Affected : 5225
Summary:
CERTAIN PASSENGER VEHICLES WERE PRODUCED WITH ONE OR BOTH REAR BRAKE HYDRAULIC LINES THAT CAN COME IN CONTACT WITH OR BE AFFECTED BY HEAT FROM THE LEFT ENGINE EXHAUST MANIFOLD AND THE LEFT EXHAUST PIPE. THE BRAKE FLUID COULD REACH ELEVATED TEMPERATURES AND BOIL.
Consequence:
IF THE BRAKE FLUID BOILS IN A REAR BRAKE LINE, THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE REAR BRAKE SYSTEM WOULD BE REDUCED WHICH COULD RESULT IN A BRAKE LINE LEAK AND LOSS OF BRAKE FLUID. IF ENOUGH FLUID LEAKS FROM THE REAR BRAKE SYSTEM SO THAT BRAKE PEDAL APPLICATION CAN NO LONGER BUILD PRESSURE TO THE REAR BRAKES. THE OPERATOR OF THE VEHICLE WILL EXPERIENCE LIMITED BRAKING WHICH COULD RESULT IN A CRASH.
Remedy:
DEALERS WILL INSPECT AND REPLACE LEFT ENGINE EXHAUST MANIFOLD, THE LEFT EXHAUST PIPE, THE REAR DIFFERENTIAL HOUSING UNITS AND INSPECT BRAKE LINES FOR WEAR IN THESE RELATED AREAS AND REPAIR OR REPLACE WEAR-THROUGH ON THE NYLON OVERCOATING. THE MANUFACTURER HAS NOT YET PROVIDED WITH AN OWNER NOTIFICATION SCHEDULE. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT CADILLAC AT 1-866-982-2239 AND CHEVROLET AT 1-800-630-2438.
Notes:
GENERAL MOTORS RECALL NO. 04086. CUSTOMERS CAN ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION’S AUTO SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-DASH-2-DOT (1-888-327-4236).

 

Monster this is for you Junior