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Old 01-24-2008, 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by steve miller
Yeah right If that were so Todd you'd be home now. It really is like the 70's....Illegal war and all
history always repeats itself
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If you don't mind, I was a teenager in 70's, with no chance of a corvette. Could someone tell me what you all are refering to when you say " it looks like the 70's all over again." Thanks....tom
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Originally Posted by phileaglesfan
Has the world's car designers and engineers really became this pathetic? They should look at this as an attainable challenge, especially since they have 12 years to meet the standard. 35mpg is nothing since the Vette currently makes an easy 25mpg. Just hope the automakers don't fight for a 55mph speed limit to increase their ratings. That and some other things mentioned would put them above 35mpg.
I'm confused as to why so many people keep making comments like "my Corvette already gets 25mpg..." That has nothing to do with the CAFE mileage it is rated at and that they have to meet. The government does not care what a bunch of folks on the forum get in their car, they look at the actual CAFE ratings - which are 16/26 or something like that.
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Old 01-24-2008, 07:45 AM
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I hope they don't keep the C6 in production as long as they kept the C4.
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I was amazed that, at the end of that article, there's a reference to a 300 lb. lighter Corvette having Z06 performance. First, I would think that a journalist supposedly somewhat knowledgeable about cars would question that. And second, that it would come from the chief engineer makes me wonder what other numbers are unusual and to be watched carefully.

What all this also makes me wonder about is, as posted by someone above, what ever happened to Displacement on Demand that was so imminent for '08? and all the other stuff? It seems all this CAFE change has upended everything.

It wouldn't surprise me to see the model run of C6 extended if only to conserve costs, and shift great minds over to saving trucks and big cars.
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Originally Posted by AORoads
I was amazed that, at the end of that article, there's a reference to a 300 lb. lighter Corvette having Z06 performance. First, I would think that a journalist supposedly somewhat knowledgeable about cars would question that. And second, that it would come from the chief engineer makes me wonder what other numbers are unusual and to be watched carefully.

What all this also makes me wonder about is, as posted by someone above, what ever happened to Displacement on Demand that was so imminent for '08? and all the other stuff? It seems all this CAFE change has upended everything.

It wouldn't surprise me to see the model run of C6 extended if only to conserve costs, and shift great minds over to saving trucks and big cars.



I hope GM doesn't over react. They are still in the business to sell cars, and they need to keep up their drive to become world class. It seems to me that the only thing that might be in question is what engines to put in the future cars - but they will still need modern platforms.
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Originally Posted by Kreuzen
...not a fan of MT, wouldn't believe anything they say at this point.
Sounds like a bunch of generic information that has been around for years. Anything to make a headline..
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Old 01-24-2008, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by jschindler


I hope GM doesn't over react. They are still in the business to sell cars, and they need to keep up their drive to become world class. It seems to me that the only thing that might be in question is what engines to put in the future cars - but they will still need modern platforms.
I hope they don't have a massive knee jerk reaction and screw things up..

It would be more reasonable to expect the C7 to evolve from the C6 rather than a clean sheet design.. especially when low margins and fierce competition exist. Maybe displacement on demand, lower weight, direct ignition... etc..
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I know how they can meet the new guidelines..

A revised CAGS system that will go from 1st to 6th gear at 1500 rpm's...
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Originally Posted by C6~Missle
I hope they don't have a massive knee jerk reaction and screw things up..

It would be more reasonable to expect the C7 to evolve from the C6 rather than a clean sheet design.. especially when low margins and fierce competition exist. Maybe displacement on demand, lower weight, direct ignition... etc..
I agree completely. The C5/C6 is an excellent platform that I think can continue to evolve with a minimum of capital expense.
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Old 01-24-2008, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by tom3257
If you don't mind, I was a teenager in 70's, with no chance of a corvette. Could someone tell me what you all are refering to when you say " it looks like the 70's all over again." Thanks....tom
Dont you remember the block long lines at the gas stations in the late 70s? Or the end of the muscle car era then either?
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[QUOTE=dvilin;1563765116]Interesting, thanks for sharing, since I have a new C6 I must admit at this time it does not create any concern on my part. I know poor attitude![/QUOTE]

Along with a whole lot of us ...........................
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Old 01-24-2008, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by carnut2912
If I were GM I would be more concerned about how to get the pickup trucks closer to 35.
Heck, with out pickups, what would all the drugstore cowboys drive to the bars ?
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Originally Posted by su8pack1
Interesting. Sounds like the 70's all over again.
You are very right! The C6 will be the next big classic in the next 20 years! Looks and HP!
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All they have to do is have a 2.2 rear axle ratio as standard, satisfy the requirements with 35+mpg, and then have a 3.15 as an option
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Old 01-24-2008, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by su8pack1
Interesting. Sounds like the 70's all over again.
Yes, and for those of you who did not live through that period take heed. The C6 may be considerably better than what ends up being called the C7.

In the 70s the vettes got heavier while the hp dropped like a rock. This time I expect the vettes will get smaller with hp decreases as well. The eventual result may be a C7 that is not as attractive, nimble, or fast in a straight line as a C6 but that gets a bit better mileage.

Why get excited over the C7 anyway when the C6 is so great.
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All I can say is, when I was at LeMans this summer, Tom Wallace was there with Wil Cooksey. They said that the C7 would be a bigger step from the C6 than the C6 was from the C5. They also said very clearly that we would be very pleasantly surprised at the C7. They had to know then what the CAFE regs would be. No surprise there.
If they want to raise fuel economy without too much pain, they could take the length of the bellhousing off the propshaft by using a DSG box across the board. This could replace the auto and manual trannies, allow a shorter, lighter car and reduce the vibrations of variable displacement. They could throw in direct injection in a smaller displacement, and make the same power. All this would lighten the car, and improve economy.
Rear mid engine doesn't say Corvette to a lot of their core customers. It could be done, with some creativity in the roof department, though.
Oh, to be on that team.
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Originally Posted by su8pack1
Interesting. Sounds like the 70's all over again.
Sorry to say but
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Well. I think C7 is to far into development to go in a different direction already. 3OO LBS is a lot of mass. Don't forget what happens to the Corvette also happens to the XLR so the car they do has to please both divisions and there buying public. Ultimately what will happen is the car will be delayed another model year so they can figure out what to do about wringing more mileage from the car via lighter body panels, frames, Displacement on demand etc etc. Im sure what has happened now is an order has gone in to take the current C7 in development and do a serious in depth study on weight reduction and engine mods to make it get better mileage. Let's not also forget the Corvette is once again not selling very well in this economy and GM might have second thoughts about investing zillions in a new platform.

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Originally Posted by Jinx
One thing that makes downsizing a tough sell: the occupants aren't getting any smaller.

.Jinx
Well, the price of food is going up.
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