I feel as if the C7 will only be a C6 with body enhancements, a smaller engine but maybe supercharged or turboed, and may have a dual clutch because for the new Camaro dual clutch. Of course a few easy to fix interior designs, but I hate to say, the Vette is falling behind. With muscle cars creeping up on vette performance, and Nissan killing us with their 2012 GT-R, GM needs to get with the Times.

I know everyone here with probably disagree, but Vette needs AWD, or XWD, it's to light and producing to much horse power for the traction anymore, some will say that adds to much weight, I just say tell it to Nissan with their consistent 0-60 in 2.9 sec. I would take super improved traction over a little more weight any day. also needs a damn dual clutch, and a true tiptronic paddle shifter for option.

I know Vette is old school muscle but it needs new school tech.

Anyway thats just my opinion, for whatever thats worth.

 

You're correct... I will disagree, the 'vette does not need to be AWD or XWD. YUCK

 

The base corvette doesnt need to kill anything. It is a more well rounded car then the z06 or zr1, its supposed to be something for everyone. Weather you want a vert, removable top, automatic, soft-ish ride, slightly better gas or whatever, the base coupes competition isnt the GTR. Its cayman, 911 carrera, occasionally base ferrari, and anything america has for competition except the viper. And your forgetting speed isnt everything. Im sure your worried that the new ZL1 camaro is going to be faster then the base Vette now. Its still two different markets. Although with the magnetic suspension im interested to see how it handles compared to the vette. It just may be a far better car for the money.

Also, 3.2 0-60 for zr1 and 2.9 for new GTR... Thats pretty darn good, but 0-60 means nothing in the real world. Just a z06 on the highway eats the old gtr alive, and honestly probably the new one. Heck look up an ls3 vette racing a gtr and youd be surprised by how close, considering the 30k differenece in price. On a highway run the GTR's quick first few gears have already been used up and it just comes down to power to weight. Also, the zr1 has shown they havent fallen behind anything. It came out in 09 and even now if you want something to beat it in any catagory, you have to spend 300k. Only exception is the new 911 turbo or in some cases the Viper acr. You realize the zr1's competition when new was basically 599gtb, saleen s7, Murciellago, Enzo, or even pagonda? Im honestly disappointed in the mags when the zr1 was released. After it beat everything they put it up agains(599gtb, lambo, viper, porsche, sl65 amg), I wish one of them would have done an all out article including those rediculous cars I mentioned. A ZR1 vs Enzo, Saleen s7, Zonda, heck scrounge up a McLaren would have sold tons of copies.

 

But how would we ever get 0-60 times below 3sec without having to have 700hp? I say awd or xwd is the only way.

 

I have to disagree here, 0-60 is pretty much the everyday challenge on the road, and nothing touches the GTR, now your right, the ZR1 did beat the GTR in everything but 0-60, it was still close though. But all those tests where with the old GTR, 0-60 3.4 sec 485hp, the new GTR with 540hp and a few other tweaks, I don't know if the ZR1 can beat. and we are talking about ZR1 $120,000. vs GTR $89,000. Something just doesn't seem right. Don't get me wrong I'm a vette fan and the ZR1 is badass, but seriously what the hell is going on when we are getting our asses handed to us by much cheaper imports. In reality, the GTR at it's price is really a Z06 competitor, most people don't say that cause they hate to think how much the GTR smokes the Z06.

 

Are you talking about 2011 GTR, or do they have a new model due out in 2012? 540HP DCT GTR sounds very appealing.

 

Its gettin certified at 520 unless they changed it recently. 2012 is a new model for it, but the physical changes are very subtle, just like the z's have a spliter, slightly different spoiler, little aero stuff like that. And honestly, no the GTR isnt close to the zr1 in other catagories. 11.2 @ 133 in a rear drive car vs 11.5 @ less then 120(best times by mags ive seen for either) is a huge difference. PLUS thats only the first year since each one after that got its launch control shelved for an "equal but different" launch control, which every test(other then Nissans press release of course) showed every model after the first year was no where near as fast with the re done launch control. Heck even the first year not using launch control runs like a 12.0 at best. Every other catagory the zr1 desrtroys it. Granted its more equal competition is the z06, but there is something about the GTR that so many forget. With the GTR you can get in and run a ridiculous time at a road course, then 5 years later run the same time because the car does so much of the driving for you. You may beat your buddy who just bought a z06 pretty bad, but in even just a year of driving he may end up surpassing you. Now there is nothing you can do about it because your car drives for you pretty much. Once the limits and capabilities of the vette are pushed farther and farther, you get better and better. With the gtr your stuck within a second or two of the time you turn the day you bought the car.

The fact is the GTR does un wordly things and deserves all the credit in the world for that. But its a gimic car. It did everything they said it would do, untill people started asking question and poking and proding for answers. Just like the Nurburgring time(not that I go by those times as they are all stupid and pointless) that no one has been able to replicate, has been accused they were running on borderline drag radials, and was so fast, its still significantly faster then the zr1's time, let alone the z06's. The "other" time it ran, if I remeber correctly it was slower then the z06's time. Also when the GTR came out everyone was so floored by how good it was each mag actually dynoed their test car. I dont think any one of them got a dyno result even close to what Nissan claims, all were higher. I think one of them averaged out to an estimated 520 crank hp. But then of course the next model year they were sae certified for 480 hp, launch control was changed, and suddenly the car is way slower... im not accusing, just giving some food for thought. If your really worried, the GTR is a dog compared to the new 911 turbo and turbo s. The S is an outrageous car for the money.

 

Exactly what I've been saying though, that 911 turbo s is amazing, and it has AWD. you just can't beat awd, and from what I heard it's great on track cornering.

Also until the Test results come out, the new GTR looks like a hard car to beat. But your right that it does drive itself, but hey still fast as hell.

 

I guess putting awd into the vette would be impossible though, without putting the engine in the back.

 

If you want to know how the Camaro ZL1 will perform, look at the Cadillac CTS-V. The two cars are more alike than different. Similar curb weight, layout, powertrain, and now suspension. Maybe the ZL1 will be a skosh quicker with fatter tires and being more recently developed, but CTS-V is a pretty good measuring stick.

The CTS-V's "fastest production sedan" 'Ring time is competitive with the base C6 with Z51. Expect the Camaro ZL1 to be two tons of fun that will hang with but hardly smoke a recent-vintage Corvette.

Expect C7 to be even quicker.

.Jinx