C7 performance
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Maybe. At the Thousand Oaks Chevy Dealer over here there wasn't a single new C6 on the lot that was under $60K. I'm sure they weren't moving very many of them, though. The Rydell in my area was selling them for about $5-7K less than the Thousand Oaks dealer. Either way, when I go to the dealer for a new car I always request "invoice + 1000". They always do it. Doesn't matter what car. They want to move inventory. If that ends the haggling, they'll generally do it. The trick is to know what invoice is.
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HAHA... I'm looking forward to laughing at the 50-80% mark-ups we'll see on the first 10-20 that hit dealerships. The best part about that, IMHO, is when they drive it off the lot the depreciation isn't just 50% (like many people joke about) but will actually be more than 50% of what they paid.
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Jerri, I hope you're right that the C7 will maintain the low cost of 50-60K. I don't for a second believe it will, but I've got my fingers crossed. The Base C5 was $40K, the base C6 (originally) $45K, and the LS3s base was $50K (although, I couldn't find any dealers around here selling for less than $60K).
I believe GM is going to price it in the high $60's to low $70's.
I believe GM is going to price it in the high $60's to low $70's.
I can still get a brand new convertible now for what a 2004 convertible cost.
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I have borrowed $$ from the bank and payed for it. Just regular interest rates, nothing like getting in debt over the top or anything, and I know I will pay, but it's a utility cost. The interest is worth having it NOW to me.
On the flip-side, I slaughter credit-card companies. Just got my YTD statement for last year on my Capital One card. Interest payed, $0.00. Cash rewards were around $200 off that card YTD. Membership fee was $39.00.
If you don't know how to use credit, then cash is probably your best bet. If you DO know how to use it, it can make more $$ than some other investments. For example, I think I spent around $10K on that card, and it made about $160 net. It's like I had $10K in a decent savings account for a whole year and didn't touch it...except I didn't, and I spent the hell out of it.
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HAHA... I'm looking forward to laughing at the 50-80% mark-ups we'll see on the first 10-20 that hit dealerships. The best part about that, IMHO, is when they drive it off the lot the depreciation isn't just 50% (like many people joke about) but will actually be more than 50% of what they paid.
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I remember when the Challenger SRT8 came out there was a dealership asking for 80k for it. That's a 100% markup. And they were dead-set on selling it for that. Haha... Stupid dealership.
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I believe the base engine(coupe, vert) should be 450-475 hp, GrandSport should the 500hp, Z06 should be 600hp, Zr1 should be 700HP
Base vettes should get 305 rear tires standard
Grand Sport 325 Rear tires (PS2 Cup)
Z06 335 Rear tires
ZR1 345 Rear tires
Base vettes should have the same size rotors as The C6Z06 Standard(with option carbon ceramic)
Grandsport, Z06, ZR1 should have standard Carbon Ceramic brakes, but the Grand sport should have a more "race setup" brake package only exclusive to the Grand Sport.
Base vettes should get 305 rear tires standard
Grand Sport 325 Rear tires (PS2 Cup)
Z06 335 Rear tires
ZR1 345 Rear tires
Base vettes should have the same size rotors as The C6Z06 Standard(with option carbon ceramic)
Grandsport, Z06, ZR1 should have standard Carbon Ceramic brakes, but the Grand sport should have a more "race setup" brake package only exclusive to the Grand Sport.
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I believe the base engine(coupe, vert) should be 450-475 hp, GrandSport should the 500hp, Z06 should be 600hp, Zr1 should be 700HP
Base vettes should get 305 rear tires standard
Grand Sport 325 Rear tires (PS2 Cup)
Z06 335 Rear tires
ZR1 345 Rear tires
Base vettes should have the same size rotors as The C6Z06 Standard(with option carbon ceramic)
Grandsport, Z06, ZR1 should have standard Carbon Ceramic brakes, but the Grand sport should have a more "race setup" brake package only exclusive to the Grand Sport.
Base vettes should get 305 rear tires standard
Grand Sport 325 Rear tires (PS2 Cup)
Z06 335 Rear tires
ZR1 345 Rear tires
Base vettes should have the same size rotors as The C6Z06 Standard(with option carbon ceramic)
Grandsport, Z06, ZR1 should have standard Carbon Ceramic brakes, but the Grand sport should have a more "race setup" brake package only exclusive to the Grand Sport.
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I'm 99% sure the C6ZR1 already smokes the SLS AMG as is. But I really don't think a C7ZR1 is in the cards right now.
To be honest, I really don't want to see a C7ZR1. I'd like it to stay simple with just 3 trims of Corvettes: Coupe, Vert, and Z06. No GS. No ZR1. Granted, the GS is an awesome car, but it causes a lot of internal sales competition.
To be honest, I really don't want to see a C7ZR1. I'd like it to stay simple with just 3 trims of Corvettes: Coupe, Vert, and Z06. No GS. No ZR1. Granted, the GS is an awesome car, but it causes a lot of internal sales competition.
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I'd say the Camaro is a different story. It's competing with the Mustang and Challenger. What is the Vette competing with? All cars it competes with are in the $100k range or higher. The price of a Vette seems to be less consequential apparently because people are asking for so much more (needless) stuff. While GM wants to market the C7 to a younger demographic, it's obvious that they're thinking "rich" young people. Lol
I remember when the Challenger SRT8 came out there was a dealership asking for 80k for it. That's a 100% markup. And they were dead-set on selling it for that. Haha... Stupid dealership.
I remember when the Challenger SRT8 came out there was a dealership asking for 80k for it. That's a 100% markup. And they were dead-set on selling it for that. Haha... Stupid dealership.
The Corvette will be competing with the Camaro, and if they price it too much higher then they will just sell more Camaros and less Corvettes like they are now. What is the point in that?
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HAHA... I'm looking forward to laughing at the 50-80% mark-ups we'll see on the first 10-20 that hit dealerships. The best part about that, IMHO, is when they drive it off the lot the depreciation isn't just 50% (like many people joke about) but will actually be more than 50% of what they paid.
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Camaro and Corvette demographics are not the same.
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we have to have a C7 ZR1 to compete with cars like the GT2 RS, LP700 and the 599. The grand Sport should be race bread like the GT3, Superleggera and the 458 CS, Consumers want options. Each Trim, Z06, ZR1 and GrandSport should have Rear bumper Badges saying witch trim it is. They should also have unique exterior features setting each one apart like rear diffusers, wings, front spoilers, scoops and vents etc. A Grand Sport should not look just like a Z06 and ZR1 expect for fenders, wheels, side skirts and rear spoiler. Instead of "corvette" on the rear bumper on all the trims, they should say "ZR1", "Z06", "Grand Sport", and the same on each head rest and gauge cluster. ZR1, and Z06 should come in a Targa or convertible option, like the 911 turbo and Lambos "LP" trim. GM needs to start giving more options, We should not have to sacrifice a open air ride experience just to get a Z06 or ZR1. Porsche consumers can get their 911 turbo in a convertible, so why shouldn't Z06 consumers?. Gm has a Golden opportunity to right all the wrongs and make the C7 the dawn on a new era of corvettes. i just hope they don't ignore our cries and screw up!. Im jus gonna say it Gm.
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we have to have a C7 ZR1 to compete with cars like the GT2 RS, LP700 and the 599. The grand Sport should be race bread like the GT3, Superleggera and the 458 CS, Consumers want options. Each Trim, Z06, ZR1 and GrandSport should have Rear bumper Badges saying witch trim it is. They should also have unique exterior features setting each one apart like rear diffusers, wings, front spoilers, scoops and vents etc. A Grand Sport should not look just like a Z06 and ZR1 expect for fenders, wheels, side skirts and rear spoiler. Instead of "corvette" on the rear bumper on all the trims, they should say "ZR1", "Z06", "Grand Sport", and the same on each head rest and gauge cluster. ZR1, and Z06 should come in a Targa or convertible option, like the 911 turbo and Lambos "LP" trim. GM needs to start giving more options, We should not have to sacrifice a open air ride experience just to get a Z06 or ZR1. Porsche consumers can get their 911 turbo in a convertible, so why shouldn't Z06 consumers?. Gm has a Golden opportunity to right all the wrongs and make the C7 the dawn on a new era of corvettes. i just hope they don't ignore our cries and screw up!. Im jus gonna say it Gm.
The Z06 should be enough to compete with the higher end cars. IT only laps the ring 3 seconds slower than the ZR1. I would think a little extra care taken could fix that. The new model should only have 3 cars. Base coupe, base 'vert, and Z06. Maybe 4, for people like me who want an FRC, base FRC. All this in-between crap is annoying and serves only to confuse the issue, cause internal competition, and irritate buyers with "for another $5000....!" junk.
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I believe their should be grand sport and z06, that's all, then maybe down the line a zr1 variant. All them should have recaro seats or seats that actually work, nice nav system like google earth, racing steering wheel for z06, horsepower for grand sport should be around 450-475hp. Z06 should have 575-600hp. Both of them should weigh under 3000lbs. Their should be different drive train possibilities such as a 5.5 v8 engine and a 3.6 twin turbo engine. I heard from left lane news that the test mule sounded like a Ferrari leaving me believe that was the v6 twin turbo power train.
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I'm skeptical that they can make a base Corvette sit under 3,000 LBS and still remain affordable. A lot of the weight is in the safety equipment. So they'd have to off-set the weight by either removing luxury items [that many of you would not do without] and/or use far more expensive materials that are lighter (like carbon fiber) throughout the car.
Also, a twin-turbo V6 is going to weigh far more than a 5.5L N/A V8. If you're going to keep the weight down, you're going to have ditch the forced induction idea. Piping, intercoolers, etc weigh a lot. The Pontiac Solstice GXP (turbo) was 3000 Lbs exactly with 1/2 tank of gas. That car was TINY in comparison to my C5 Z06. And the Z06 weighed 3080 with 1/2 tank of gas... Just an 80Lbs difference. AND the GXP was a single turbo with a tiny intercooler.
I think it's time we started to think more realistically.
Also, a twin-turbo V6 is going to weigh far more than a 5.5L N/A V8. If you're going to keep the weight down, you're going to have ditch the forced induction idea. Piping, intercoolers, etc weigh a lot. The Pontiac Solstice GXP (turbo) was 3000 Lbs exactly with 1/2 tank of gas. That car was TINY in comparison to my C5 Z06. And the Z06 weighed 3080 with 1/2 tank of gas... Just an 80Lbs difference. AND the GXP was a single turbo with a tiny intercooler.
I think it's time we started to think more realistically.
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Drifting
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I'm skeptical that they can make a base Corvette sit under 3,000 LBS and still remain affordable. A lot of the weight is in the safety equipment. So they'd have to off-set the weight by either removing luxury items [that many of you would not do without] and/or use far more expensive materials that are lighter (like carbon fiber) throughout the car.
Also, a twin-turbo V6 is going to weigh far more than a 5.5L N/A V8. If you're going to keep the weight down, you're going to have ditch the forced induction idea. Piping, intercoolers, etc weigh a lot. The Pontiac Solstice GXP (turbo) was 3000 Lbs exactly with 1/2 tank of gas. That car was TINY in comparison to my C5 Z06. And the Z06 weighed 3080 with 1/2 tank of gas... Just an 80Lbs difference. AND the GXP was a single turbo with a tiny intercooler.
I think it's time we started to think more realistically.
Also, a twin-turbo V6 is going to weigh far more than a 5.5L N/A V8. If you're going to keep the weight down, you're going to have ditch the forced induction idea. Piping, intercoolers, etc weigh a lot. The Pontiac Solstice GXP (turbo) was 3000 Lbs exactly with 1/2 tank of gas. That car was TINY in comparison to my C5 Z06. And the Z06 weighed 3080 with 1/2 tank of gas... Just an 80Lbs difference. AND the GXP was a single turbo with a tiny intercooler.
I think it's time we started to think more realistically.