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Old Sep 16, 2011 | 04:18 AM
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How many have driven a '63 split window Vette? I have many miles and it SUCKS! I'm sorry, but I do like to go a little faster than most idiotic speed limits especially in a car than can handle many times better than the fool in a Dorf Explorer! You can't see cops behind you or anything that matters until it's about to HIT YOU! There is a reason why they went extinct after ONE YEAR! Don't make a split window anything, but especially a Vette!
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Old Sep 16, 2011 | 08:11 AM
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I agree although there might be a way around the visibility issues using rear view camera technology. Either way, I really don't care for the look of it anyway. I don't understand the allure.
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Old Sep 16, 2011 | 08:13 AM
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I agree although there might be a way around the visibility issues using rear view camera technology. Either way, I really don't care for the look of it anyway. I don't understand the allure.
I don't want to look out the back through a camera. I want visual confirmation out my back window that is not distorted by some camera device that may/may not get water/dirt/bird-crap on it at the wrong moment and will probably have some caution about objects being closer/further than they appear.
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Old Sep 16, 2011 | 08:17 AM
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I hate the idea of a rear view camera too.
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Old Sep 16, 2011 | 08:49 AM
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More electronics just means more stuff that can fail. A mirror does not fail.



Safety aside, I don't want a split window because...well, because I thought the corvete design team was better than that. I thought they were going to be the ONE american institution that didn't fall prey to the nostalgia trap, and try to "bring back" a design from their glory days. It's as if all our companies are stuck looking back at what they were, like some 40 year old ex highschool football star who's best days are behind him, looking in the mirror trying to see what he used to be, instead of focusing on what he could become.

I swear, the more time that goes by, the more I'm disgusted by ALL of our car companies.
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Old Sep 16, 2011 | 10:02 AM
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Yes, and there's a real problem with the retro fad as well. How can you just keep bringing out the '69 Mustang over and over again year after year (although that's what they appear to be doing). The design has to evolve, as did the original. But what to? A '79 Mustang?

Give us something new.
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Old Sep 16, 2011 | 10:13 AM
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But what to? A '79 Mustang?
Don't even joke about that!
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Old Sep 16, 2011 | 10:26 AM
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like some 40 year old ex highschool football star who's best days are behind him, looking in the mirror trying to see what he used to be, instead of focusing on what he could become.
So should the Corvette become a coach?

Anyway, I think they should just do a limited run of split windows, that way people have a choice.
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Split windows did not discontinue because of vision problems, it discontinued because of production cost. Split windows are much much more expensive to produce and install than a single window system.


There are a lot of crap cars out there with terrible views which are modern. This also includes SUV's where you can not even see the car directly behind you.



Anyways, rear view cameras are going to become the norm as the current admin is pushing for mandatory rear-view-cameras on all cars. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/are-...in-our-future/
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It probably was production costs, shame on me thinking any company would listen to it's customers! :-)

I wish they would produce the mid engine CERV II...I think that's what it was called. It was beautiful. I really do not like the long hood thing, after flying jets for the military I like to see out front. My favorite car to drive to date is the later Acura NSX. Perfect balance and looks, of course it could have more power, but it did have excellent visibility. Although, the NSX people wish they had the LS series motors, best motor in the world for SFC!

As for the Mustang, it's not really a car, it's a FAD!

I do wish GM would get over the retro stuff, the 1st Gen. Camaro looked far better than the current chopped roof looking new Camaro. The Mid year Vettes were by far the best looking inside and out of any Vette, heck you could paint them in pink and they still looked good! On that, Ferrari still doesn't know how to make a good looking instrument cluster, they look positively amateurish! The C6 Vette inst. cluster looks far better! Too bad the Lotus can't make a decent inst. cluster either, now that's a fun can to drive!

Rear view cameras should be for those speed-record breaking cars. Although I wouldn't mind if they replaced the stupid buttons for stereo volume with a zoom for the rear cameras :-)!

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Originally Posted by lodgers
How many have driven a '63 split window Vette? I have many miles and it SUCKS! I'm sorry, but I do like to go a little faster than most idiotic speed limits especially in a car than can handle many times better than the fool in a Dorf Explorer! You can't see cops behind you or anything that matters until it's about to HIT YOU! There is a reason why they went extinct after ONE YEAR! Don't make a split window anything, but especially a Vette!
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You are a member for eleven months and these two posts are your first "contributions" to this forum?

I'm struggling to follow your opening post about poor vis from a split window coupe and speeding on public roads, with your second post lead-off:

Originally Posted by lodgers
It probably was production costs, shame on me thinking any company would listen to it's customers!
You moan about the split window initially, then say something disassociated with that thought.

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I wish they would produce the mid engine CERV II...I think that's what it was called.
I agree there, but it won't happen. If if ever was meant to be, Zora would have done it. GM won't go there today.

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As for the Mustang, it's not really a car, it's a FAD!
You should check your dictionary for the definition of fad. After 47 years, the Mustang is no fad. It's an icon, and not a bad car at all.

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I do wish GM would get over the retro stuff, the 1st Gen. Camaro looked far better than the current chopped roof looking new Camaro. The Mid year Vettes were by far the best looking inside and out of any Vette, heck you could paint them in pink and they still looked good! On that, Ferrari still doesn't know how to make a good looking instrument cluster, they look positively amateurish! The C6 Vette inst. cluster looks far better! Too bad the Lotus can't make a decent inst. cluster either, now that's a fun can to drive!
This rant is disjointed, covering retro look, pink Camaros, mid-year 'vette styling, Ferrari and Lotus' instrument clusters, and the fun factor of driving a Lotus. I got dizzy there.

Regards.
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 03:47 AM
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Try reading the whole post then, it will make more sense if you read faster than a child.

People are in love with the idea of the mustang, it's still blah looking and blah performance, BTW do you know what SFC is? Great smoke and mirrors.

On the Ford issue, are you aware that Ford almost never raced what they actually sold? Ford and C Shelby also got the F.I. 327 Vette outlawed because it was beating the crap out of the Cobra, but people are still in love with the Cobra. It absolutely sucked as a street car, I knew people who had them way back when. Of course they didn't like the L-88 Vette either, no cooling fan so they overheated, but that was better than the Cobra where the drivers feet overheated!

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Originally Posted by lodgers
Try reading the whole post then, it will make more sense if you read faster than a child.

People are in love with the idea of the mustang, it's still blah looking and blah performance, BTW do you know what SFC is? Great smoke and mirrors.

On the Ford issue, are you aware that Ford almost never raced what they actually sold? Ford and C Shelby also got the F.I. 327 Vette outlawed because it was beating the crap out of the Cobra, but people are still in love with the Cobra. It absolutely sucked as a street car, I knew people who had them way back when. Of course they didn't like the L-88 Vette either, no cooling fan so they overheated, but that was better than the Cobra where the drivers feet overheated!


Your third post! Hot digity dog.

And it's another rambler, introducing even more unrelated "stuff" to the split-window topic!

I read, re-read, and tried to comprehend your earlier second post. I read it as fast as a child, faster than a child, s l o w e r than a child. I tried it at normal adult speed, idiot adult speed, faster than the average adult speed, Mensa speed, and speed reading speed. It still wasn't coherent.

As to the Mustang's blah performance you allude to, you better get with the real facts sir. You are showing either your ignorance of the car's capabilities or your bias against the marque with that statement.

The acronym SFC has many meanings, including Sergeant First Class, Securities and Futures Commission, System File Checker, Sexual Freedom Coalition, Sequential Function Chart, Senate Finance Committee, St. Francis College, Students for Free Culture, Specific Fuel Consumption (either Brake or Thrust), Supercritical Fluid Chromatography, and Space Flight Center, among many others. Can you be more specific?

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You are quibbling, get over yourself.
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Originally Posted by lodgers
Try reading the whole post then, it will make more sense if you read faster than a child.

People are in love with the idea of the mustang, it's still blah looking and blah performance, BTW do you know what SFC is? Great smoke and mirrors.

On the Ford issue, are you aware that Ford almost never raced what they actually sold? Ford and C Shelby also got the F.I. 327 Vette outlawed because it was beating the crap out of the Cobra, but people are still in love with the Cobra. It absolutely sucked as a street car, I knew people who had them way back when. Of course they didn't like the L-88 Vette either, no cooling fan so they overheated, but that was better than the Cobra where the drivers feet overheated!
Does any car company race what they actually sell? I'm pretty certain that they have designed race cars.

I have to agree with Jackhall99, you are all over the place with your posts. This thread started off as a thread about Split Window Corvettes, but has turned into rambling about a bunch of different cars.

On the actual topic, I personally don't think split window would look right on the newer style Corvettes. I think going "retro" with modern designs is a great way to rejuvenate a car if it's done right (such as the Camaro), but I personally don't think the Corvette needs to be rejuvenated. Whether you like the look of the new Camaro or not, there is no denying that they are ALL over the place. The same thing happened with the Mustang when it went to a more muscular look. A lot of people are fans of older syle cars, but also like modern technology. While not everybody feels this way, it goes without saying that it has been working quite well for the Mustang and Camaro.

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Originally Posted by KevinK
More electronics just means more stuff that can fail. A mirror does not fail.



Safety aside, I don't want a split window because...well, because I thought the corvete design team was better than that. I thought they were going to be the ONE american institution that didn't fall prey to the nostalgia trap, and try to "bring back" a design from their glory days. It's as if all our companies are stuck looking back at what they were, like some 40 year old ex highschool football star who's best days are behind him, looking in the mirror trying to see what he used to be, instead of focusing on what he could become.

I swear, the more time that goes by, the more I'm disgusted by ALL of our car companies.
Have you seen the Camaro? Too late buddy.
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Originally Posted by lodgers
Try reading the whole post then, it will make more sense if you read faster than a child.

People are in love with the idea of the mustang, it's still blah looking and blah performance, BTW do you know what SFC is? Great smoke and mirrors.

On the Ford issue, are you aware that Ford almost never raced what they actually sold? Ford and C Shelby also got the F.I. 327 Vette outlawed because it was beating the crap out of the Cobra, but people are still in love with the Cobra. It absolutely sucked as a street car, I knew people who had them way back when. Of course they didn't like the L-88 Vette either, no cooling fan so they overheated, but that was better than the Cobra where the drivers feet overheated!
The new 5.0L Mustangs and the GT500s are not Blah, performers
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Does any car company race what they actually sell? I'm pretty certain that they have designed race cars.

I have to agree with Jackhall99, you are all over the place with your posts. This thread started off as a thread about Split Window Corvettes, but has turned into rambling about a bunch of different cars.

On the actual topic, I personally don't think split window would look right on the newer style Corvettes. I think going "retro" with modern designs is a great way to rejuvenate a car if it's done right (such as the Camaro), but I personally don't think the Corvette needs to be rejuvenated. Whether you like the look of the new Camaro or not, there is no denying that they are ALL over the place. The same thing happened with the Mustang when it went to a more muscular look. A lot of people are fans of older syle cars, but also like modern technology. While not everybody feels this way, it goes without saying that it has been working quite well for the Mustang and Camaro.
Yeah they went retro to appeal to the only people left who can afford them

I can see the board meeting now...

&*%^ guys this recession sucks...the 20 somethings have an unemployment rate almost 25%...

who has money left Jim?

Well studies show old people still have some money left Tom...

GREAT, what do they like?

Well studies show old people hate change...so why not bring back a car from when they were younger?

Good idea!!!!

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Yeah they went retro to appeal to the only people left who can afford them

I can see the board meeting now...

&*%^ guys this recession sucks...the 20 somethings have an unemployment rate almost 25%...

who has money left Jim?

Well studies show old people still have some money left Tom...

GREAT, what do they like?

Well studies show old people hate change...so why not bring back a car from when they were younger?

Good idea!!!!

Haha, probably not far from the truth. Either way though, I consider myself youngish (27) and I still prefer the look of the older style cars (even though I love Vettes, my all-time favorite car is the 69 Camaro RS, such a beautiful car).
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