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I bought myself an Atrix and my wife an iPhone 4 when our old phones were pretty much done. The only thing her phone could do that mine couldn't was watch instant movies on Netflix, and that was just due to Netflix' failure to develop an Android-compatible version of their player in a timely fashion. That issue has since been rectified by Netflix. However, there are plenty of things that my phone does that hers does not.
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This is just another round in the old debate between open and closed systems.
From Bloomberg Business Week, Sept 8, 2011 -
"The rush to market by Google and its Android-handset-making partners fostered a mishmash of Android features. Android fragmentation has long been a hot topic—for good reason. Google (GOOG) was iterating its mobile platform quickly; handset makers couldn’t keep up without investing more time, money, or both; and developers showed frustration with the many versions of Android and handset configurations. That led to various versions of Android in customers’ hands, each with different features and application support and without any guarantees of future upgrades. Now the situation is getting better".
Well, we'll see but there's nothing new in any of this. Anyone in the tech business is familiar with this same old open systems scenario - it's business as usual. Google understands the risks and is working hard to manage the chaos but incompatibilities and corner cutting always arise when the number of players grows, eroding margins and eventually undermining the product and the business model.
Apple and MicroSoft both understand this better than anyone.
People buy an iPhone instead of an Android phone because they know it will work as advertised, not because the iPhone is always ahead in this week's speeds and feeds race. They buy it because there is only one version of iOS. An iPhone is an iPhone, not just sort of an iPhone. They buy an iPhone with the confidence that new features are actually ready for prime time when introduced. For them, having it work properly is more important than having it first. They install Apps with confidence that the App will function and won't compromise their system and security. They buy an iPhone because they aren't techno geeks and they don't want to learn everything about nothing. They know that they can get help from Apple when they need it. They don't want to have to re-boot their phone twice a day.
Android has it's place and will certainly keep Apple on it's toes. But it's not for everyone. To each his own.
From Bloomberg Business Week, Sept 8, 2011 -
"The rush to market by Google and its Android-handset-making partners fostered a mishmash of Android features. Android fragmentation has long been a hot topic—for good reason. Google (GOOG) was iterating its mobile platform quickly; handset makers couldn’t keep up without investing more time, money, or both; and developers showed frustration with the many versions of Android and handset configurations. That led to various versions of Android in customers’ hands, each with different features and application support and without any guarantees of future upgrades. Now the situation is getting better".
Well, we'll see but there's nothing new in any of this. Anyone in the tech business is familiar with this same old open systems scenario - it's business as usual. Google understands the risks and is working hard to manage the chaos but incompatibilities and corner cutting always arise when the number of players grows, eroding margins and eventually undermining the product and the business model.
Apple and MicroSoft both understand this better than anyone.
People buy an iPhone instead of an Android phone because they know it will work as advertised, not because the iPhone is always ahead in this week's speeds and feeds race. They buy it because there is only one version of iOS. An iPhone is an iPhone, not just sort of an iPhone. They buy an iPhone with the confidence that new features are actually ready for prime time when introduced. For them, having it work properly is more important than having it first. They install Apps with confidence that the App will function and won't compromise their system and security. They buy an iPhone because they aren't techno geeks and they don't want to learn everything about nothing. They know that they can get help from Apple when they need it. They don't want to have to re-boot their phone twice a day.
Android has it's place and will certainly keep Apple on it's toes. But it's not for everyone. To each his own.
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This little vignette has been around for a couple of years and it's very funny, no doubt about it. But who is the real butt of the joke? She still bought an iPhone.
Isn't this level of customer loyalty the holy grail of business? How was it accomplished? Do you really think everyone that buys an iPhone is stupid?
Do you really?
Isn't this level of customer loyalty the holy grail of business? How was it accomplished? Do you really think everyone that buys an iPhone is stupid?
Do you really?
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Very. 
List off the "totally all new" things Apple came up with on their own different than anything else on the market in the last 3-4 years?
I'm not talking "oh hey this is cool, let's steal this and make it Apple"
I'm talking "Holy **** there is NOTHING else like this anywhere!"
List off the "totally all new" things Apple came up with on their own different than anything else on the market in the last 3-4 years?
I'm not talking "oh hey this is cool, let's steal this and make it Apple"
I'm talking "Holy **** there is NOTHING else like this anywhere!"
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From: Niagara Falls NY
I'm not going to bother trying to convince Apple haters to appreciate their products. Apple products are not "commodity" products that live on specs alone, they are extremely well designed products that offer the perfect combination of performance and functionality that seldom give their customers reason to complain. Survey after survey proves that Apple customers almost never have buyers remorse. Their competition can't begin to compare....no matter how many more Mhz their processors have. If you want to believe it's because we're all brainwashed robots that don't know any better....that's your choice. We tend to think the haters are brainwashed on specs and ignore the fact that the products you use are inferior in design in many ways. But if you like Android, please keep buying them. Competition will continue to drive Apple to give me the products that I prefer.
But back to the original point of this thread....and if you want you can replace iOS with Android....both would work very well.
There would be numerous advantages to having a mobile operating system running the entertainment/navigation segment of our cars. And one more time....you would STILL have your physical buttons/switches/sliders. No one is going to take those away from you.
But back to the original point of this thread....and if you want you can replace iOS with Android....both would work very well.
There would be numerous advantages to having a mobile operating system running the entertainment/navigation segment of our cars. And one more time....you would STILL have your physical buttons/switches/sliders. No one is going to take those away from you.
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And this is where the disconnect is. Sure some people want a customizable interface. Millions and millions of people don't care, they don't want it to get in the way - they want it to "just work".
4 different vendors you get 4 different interfaces - fine for the geek and the technically savvy - what about the other 95% of the world?
And I'm sure it will be on IOS platforms when it doesn't suck out all of the battery life too. See it's not about having a hardware pissing contest, it's about the experience for the user - something that seems to be lost on most Android hardware manufacturers.
Is this standard on all Android devices or just from some vendors? Is it part of the Android spec for hardware? Touting specifics from only certain manufacturers isn't making a case for the system as a whole.
THANK GOD - do you really think flash is going to be viable in 3-4 years given your background? Not supported by IOS, by Mango, or others that care about battery life. The fact that Adobe is contributing to HTML standards now that mimic exactly flash capability (because they want to sell content delivery tools, they don't care about the end presentation layer).
Nope - and a conscious design decision. The latest Android phones are in a race for the biggest screen... hardware pissing contest again. Think about the usability (you can touch the whole screen using one hand) - how big do you want a device that's supposed to fit in your pocket to be?
Yep pissing them so much that they've pulled their fully capable software apps to get at their content .... oh wait
See above about relevancy and implementations in some but not all hardware platforms....
As fast as other "4G" speeds. Fourth generation LTE networks? Not yet - not until battery life for the handset is acceptable. As fast? You betcha.
Another conscious decision - get Skype or another accepted app if you don't like that the built-in software limits you to networks where it knows it can deliver a quality experience.
Not built into the phone - recurring theme here - thinner, lighter. There are adapters for all the times you want to use your phone and TV together >.<
So you don't have to buy other DLNA devices to use with other DNLA devices? I don't see your point.
Wireless - yes. Bluethooth - No
Obviously not a problem to a few hundred million people who have the phone ... When you design the device for effective battery life you don't have to carry additional batteries with you. Do you count those towards the weight of your phone? Probably not.
Not needed with cloud storage. Which is free.
Please don't - it's clear that we disagree, and I think that's just the fundamental nature of certain things like politics, religion, and technology.
Enjoy using your hardware, I'll enjoy using mine. The best part is we can both do that in our vettes.
4 different vendors you get 4 different interfaces - fine for the geek and the technically savvy - what about the other 95% of the world?
Dual core processors? yeah and by the time you buy it quad cores will be coming to Android tablets.
Burst shutter photos? No
Flash player for online web content? No SUPER SUCK
4.3"+ screen? No
Kindle, nook, and Google books? yeah kind of although Apples terms are pissing these vendors off with book purchases
3d recording and playback? No
4G speeds? No
Facetime on network? No
HDMI output? No
DLNA? No, unless of course you want to buy an additional product called Apple TV then yes.
Bluetooth sync with itunes? No
Removable battery? No
Expandable memory? No
Need I go on?
Enjoy using your hardware, I'll enjoy using mine. The best part is we can both do that in our vettes.
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We'll be lucky to see that by 2035!
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Well, see my responses below. Please, read them objectionally. You'll see they're not biased. They're fact driven and not all points you said were wrong. (I agree with a few points.)
Responses in blue.
And this is where the disconnect is. Sure some people want a customizable interface. Millions and millions of people don't care, they don't want it to get in the way - they want it to "just work".
That's what all Mac/Apple people say. "Who cares that our systems don't do much. They just work." Yeah, so does my Android and Windows 7 laptop. No issues here. Not sure why Apple yuppies are jaded. My friend's MacBook Air is a pile. Crashes ALL the time. Apples aren't invulnerable to problems. They have just as many problems, just not in the same categories.
4 different vendors you get 4 different interfaces - fine for the geek and the technically savvy - what about the other 95% of the world?
You can have the same interface on all of them. That's just what they give you stock. But just like all Androids, the home/launcher is changeable. My sister is ANYTHING but tech savvy. She didn't even know how to setup her email. But she had no problem learning Android in a couple days. She just got one, setup her google account and was rockin' in no time. If Android wasn't meant for non-tech savvy people, it wouldn't be the most popular phone OS in the world.
And I'm sure it will be on IOS platforms when it doesn't suck out all of the battery life too. See it's not about having a hardware pissing contest, it's about the experience for the user - something that seems to be lost on most Android hardware manufacturers.
Another common misconception Apple yuppies have. My dual core Sensation running at 1.5GHz lasts longer on one charge than my mother's iPhone 3s. It lasts longer than my girlfriend's iPhone (no idea what model). It lasts longer than my buddy's iPhone 4. And that's all for anyone I know with an iPhone. The rest of my friends have Androids. LOL I go 20 hours on one charge unless I watch 2x 1hr Netflix movies, make at least 1 video conference call over Skype, AND browse the web for a couple hours... Then it only lasts about 5 hours. Stock 1.5AH battery. Lets see an iPhone do that on one charge. Dual core doesn't mean inefficient. A 2GHz Pentium 4 uses nearly twice as much power as a 2GHz Core i5. Just remember that.
Is this standard on all Android devices or just from some vendors? Is it part of the Android spec for hardware? Touting specifics from only certain manufacturers isn't making a case for the system as a whole.
Most vendors now. It's software that is added. Not hardware based. Unlike Apple stuff, you can add stuff to your old phone to keep it up to date for free.
THANK GOD - do you really think flash is going to be viable in 3-4 years given your background? Not supported by IOS, by Mango, or others that care about battery life. The fact that Adobe is contributing to HTML standards now that mimic exactly flash capability (because they want to sell content delivery tools, they don't care about the end presentation layer).
Wrong again. While Flash as we know it is definitely changing, there's much you CAN'T do on the web without it. Also, Flash is bloated, but it's slated to change BIG time. Most of the bloating is due to backwards compatibility with older versions of Flash. But now Adobe is revamping the software to have big time hardware acceleration which requires ditching backwards compatibility. So while HTML5 and SVG is getting a big push from Adobe, that's only because Adobe is changing the purpose of Flash which was originally designed for presentations... Not games as it's used for now.
Nope - and a conscious design decision. The latest Android phones are in a race for the biggest screen... hardware pissing contest again. Think about the usability (you can touch the whole screen using one hand) - how big do you want a device that's supposed to fit in your pocket to be?
Spoken like someone in true denial. I have small hands (as I'm only 5'7" so I'm not a big guy) and my 4.3" screen is easy to operate with just one hand. NO problems at all. I can reach ALL 4 corners of the screen with my thumb.
Yep pissing them so much that they've pulled their fully capable software apps to get at their content .... oh wait
Non-issue. I have no argument for this because it's a stupid point, in my honest opinion. There's aftermarket book software for Apple, so it's a moot point. (Consider that 1 point for you!)
See above about relevancy and implementations in some but not all hardware platforms....
While 3D is (in my opinion) a gimmick, it goes to show the power of more than 1 manufacturer creating an option for buyers on a universal platform. It's not a matter of whether or not 3D is offered on all Android phones. It's a matter of having the option to buy a 3D capable phone. Apple isn't going to give the option. /story
As fast as other "4G" speeds. Fourth generation LTE networks? Not yet - not until battery life for the handset is acceptable. As fast? You betcha.
Don't know what you're talking about. I average over 1MB/s on my phone. I've seen almost 2MB/s already. Here's my phone tethered (something you can't do) to my laptop:
And as I've already stated, I have wonderful battery life.
Another conscious decision - get Skype or another accepted app if you don't like that the built-in software limits you to networks where it knows it can deliver a quality experience.
No argument here. I don't use the built-in video conferencing software either. I use Skype. It actually turns out that the front-facing video camera on my phone makes better video calls than the camera on my laptop. They're both the same resolution, but I've been told the image quality and color is better on my phone. I do a lot of video conferencing because I work with clients all over the world. So this was a must for me. But I also have no complaints about the iPhone's cameras. They really do excel in ways that MOST Android phones do not. That's the truth and I'll have to give that point to Apple.
Not built into the phone - recurring theme here - thinner, lighter. There are adapters for all the times you want to use your phone and TV together >.<
iPhones are not thinner or lighter than my phone. Sorry, they're not. The 4s is the first iPhone that's only slightly lighter than my phone by an unnoticeable margin. And the Samsung Galaxy S II is lighter than the iPhone 4s and thinner. The iPhone is also thicker than my phone I believe. However, coming from many different types of phones, It's my opinion that thinner isn't better. My phone being as thin as it is makes it hard to pick up sometimes. I've also dropped it from my nightstand a few times trying to pick it up. Luckily this phone is indestructible. A thicker phone also feels better in your hand and when you're making calls. The feel in my pocket is really no different between my Nexus One and my Sensation 4G. I'd prefer the thicker phone which is why I got the Sensation and not the Galaxy S II. (Benefit to having many manufacturers is CHOICE!)
So you don't have to buy other DLNA devices to use with other DNLA devices? I don't see your point.
The majority of TVs you buy have DLNA. Playstation 3 has DLNA. Some blue-ray players have DLNA. The chances are if you've got a newer TV or a newer blue-ray player, you have DLNA. If you have a Playstation 3, you have DLNA. It's not new technology. And Apple's been making a big deal about their version of it, but it's not going to be popular unless you buy all the other Apple crap (for a lot more money than competitive products) which is why Apple TV didn't do well. But I'm sure there's enough Apple yuppies out there that will follow suit.
Wireless - yes. Bluethooth - No
In my case, I could care less about bluetooth sync. I have the option to do it in my car because the Parrot MKi has it. But I don't care about that stuff. I don't sync my phone with bluetooth to anything. I have a backup system that syncs to an online FTP server. My contacts, calendar, mail are all sync'd to Google. My music is all done through Grooveshark (which is available on iPhones) so that's moot too. I don't like iTunes at all. But that's personal preference. In my opinion, this argument is moot since neither device needs it considering 99% of everything you can do on these phones comes from a streaming service.
Obviously not a problem to a few hundred million people who have the phone ... When you design the device for effective battery life you don't have to carry additional batteries with you. Do you count those towards the weight of your phone? Probably not.
Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with you on this point. But not for the same reason as you've stated. I don't own an extra battery. I don't need one. While I feel that the iPhone's battery lacks in capacity, I don't feel it's one of its weak points. And if the battery goes bad, the techs at the Apple store will fix that for you right away. Sometimes for free, even if you're out of warranty. I see no argument here.
Not needed with cloud storage. Which is free.
Also agreed, as stated above. I have a 32GB card that I fill with pictures and ****. (That's the truth) But even then it's unnecessary. Apple and Androids BOTH have cloud services. It's just that Apple makes a bigger deal about it, as they do with everything they market. Even the Microsoft phones can use cloud services. This is not something exclusive to Apple or any other device.
Please don't - it's clear that we disagree, and I think that's just the fundamental nature of certain things like politics, religion, and technology.
Enjoy using your hardware, I'll enjoy using mine. The best part is we can both do that in our vettes.
Yep! But at least be more unbiased. I'm very unbiased. This is why I suggested an iPhone for my mom and I bought an Android. It's not necessarily about how much one thing can do over the other. It's about what fits the bill.
That's what all Mac/Apple people say. "Who cares that our systems don't do much. They just work." Yeah, so does my Android and Windows 7 laptop. No issues here. Not sure why Apple yuppies are jaded. My friend's MacBook Air is a pile. Crashes ALL the time. Apples aren't invulnerable to problems. They have just as many problems, just not in the same categories.
4 different vendors you get 4 different interfaces - fine for the geek and the technically savvy - what about the other 95% of the world?
You can have the same interface on all of them. That's just what they give you stock. But just like all Androids, the home/launcher is changeable. My sister is ANYTHING but tech savvy. She didn't even know how to setup her email. But she had no problem learning Android in a couple days. She just got one, setup her google account and was rockin' in no time. If Android wasn't meant for non-tech savvy people, it wouldn't be the most popular phone OS in the world.
And I'm sure it will be on IOS platforms when it doesn't suck out all of the battery life too. See it's not about having a hardware pissing contest, it's about the experience for the user - something that seems to be lost on most Android hardware manufacturers.
Another common misconception Apple yuppies have. My dual core Sensation running at 1.5GHz lasts longer on one charge than my mother's iPhone 3s. It lasts longer than my girlfriend's iPhone (no idea what model). It lasts longer than my buddy's iPhone 4. And that's all for anyone I know with an iPhone. The rest of my friends have Androids. LOL I go 20 hours on one charge unless I watch 2x 1hr Netflix movies, make at least 1 video conference call over Skype, AND browse the web for a couple hours... Then it only lasts about 5 hours. Stock 1.5AH battery. Lets see an iPhone do that on one charge. Dual core doesn't mean inefficient. A 2GHz Pentium 4 uses nearly twice as much power as a 2GHz Core i5. Just remember that.
Is this standard on all Android devices or just from some vendors? Is it part of the Android spec for hardware? Touting specifics from only certain manufacturers isn't making a case for the system as a whole.
Most vendors now. It's software that is added. Not hardware based. Unlike Apple stuff, you can add stuff to your old phone to keep it up to date for free.
THANK GOD - do you really think flash is going to be viable in 3-4 years given your background? Not supported by IOS, by Mango, or others that care about battery life. The fact that Adobe is contributing to HTML standards now that mimic exactly flash capability (because they want to sell content delivery tools, they don't care about the end presentation layer).
Wrong again. While Flash as we know it is definitely changing, there's much you CAN'T do on the web without it. Also, Flash is bloated, but it's slated to change BIG time. Most of the bloating is due to backwards compatibility with older versions of Flash. But now Adobe is revamping the software to have big time hardware acceleration which requires ditching backwards compatibility. So while HTML5 and SVG is getting a big push from Adobe, that's only because Adobe is changing the purpose of Flash which was originally designed for presentations... Not games as it's used for now.
Nope - and a conscious design decision. The latest Android phones are in a race for the biggest screen... hardware pissing contest again. Think about the usability (you can touch the whole screen using one hand) - how big do you want a device that's supposed to fit in your pocket to be?
Spoken like someone in true denial. I have small hands (as I'm only 5'7" so I'm not a big guy) and my 4.3" screen is easy to operate with just one hand. NO problems at all. I can reach ALL 4 corners of the screen with my thumb.
Yep pissing them so much that they've pulled their fully capable software apps to get at their content .... oh wait
Non-issue. I have no argument for this because it's a stupid point, in my honest opinion. There's aftermarket book software for Apple, so it's a moot point. (Consider that 1 point for you!)
See above about relevancy and implementations in some but not all hardware platforms....
While 3D is (in my opinion) a gimmick, it goes to show the power of more than 1 manufacturer creating an option for buyers on a universal platform. It's not a matter of whether or not 3D is offered on all Android phones. It's a matter of having the option to buy a 3D capable phone. Apple isn't going to give the option. /story
As fast as other "4G" speeds. Fourth generation LTE networks? Not yet - not until battery life for the handset is acceptable. As fast? You betcha.
Don't know what you're talking about. I average over 1MB/s on my phone. I've seen almost 2MB/s already. Here's my phone tethered (something you can't do) to my laptop:
And as I've already stated, I have wonderful battery life.
Another conscious decision - get Skype or another accepted app if you don't like that the built-in software limits you to networks where it knows it can deliver a quality experience.
No argument here. I don't use the built-in video conferencing software either. I use Skype. It actually turns out that the front-facing video camera on my phone makes better video calls than the camera on my laptop. They're both the same resolution, but I've been told the image quality and color is better on my phone. I do a lot of video conferencing because I work with clients all over the world. So this was a must for me. But I also have no complaints about the iPhone's cameras. They really do excel in ways that MOST Android phones do not. That's the truth and I'll have to give that point to Apple.
Not built into the phone - recurring theme here - thinner, lighter. There are adapters for all the times you want to use your phone and TV together >.<
iPhones are not thinner or lighter than my phone. Sorry, they're not. The 4s is the first iPhone that's only slightly lighter than my phone by an unnoticeable margin. And the Samsung Galaxy S II is lighter than the iPhone 4s and thinner. The iPhone is also thicker than my phone I believe. However, coming from many different types of phones, It's my opinion that thinner isn't better. My phone being as thin as it is makes it hard to pick up sometimes. I've also dropped it from my nightstand a few times trying to pick it up. Luckily this phone is indestructible. A thicker phone also feels better in your hand and when you're making calls. The feel in my pocket is really no different between my Nexus One and my Sensation 4G. I'd prefer the thicker phone which is why I got the Sensation and not the Galaxy S II. (Benefit to having many manufacturers is CHOICE!)
So you don't have to buy other DLNA devices to use with other DNLA devices? I don't see your point.
The majority of TVs you buy have DLNA. Playstation 3 has DLNA. Some blue-ray players have DLNA. The chances are if you've got a newer TV or a newer blue-ray player, you have DLNA. If you have a Playstation 3, you have DLNA. It's not new technology. And Apple's been making a big deal about their version of it, but it's not going to be popular unless you buy all the other Apple crap (for a lot more money than competitive products) which is why Apple TV didn't do well. But I'm sure there's enough Apple yuppies out there that will follow suit.
Wireless - yes. Bluethooth - No
In my case, I could care less about bluetooth sync. I have the option to do it in my car because the Parrot MKi has it. But I don't care about that stuff. I don't sync my phone with bluetooth to anything. I have a backup system that syncs to an online FTP server. My contacts, calendar, mail are all sync'd to Google. My music is all done through Grooveshark (which is available on iPhones) so that's moot too. I don't like iTunes at all. But that's personal preference. In my opinion, this argument is moot since neither device needs it considering 99% of everything you can do on these phones comes from a streaming service.
Obviously not a problem to a few hundred million people who have the phone ... When you design the device for effective battery life you don't have to carry additional batteries with you. Do you count those towards the weight of your phone? Probably not.
Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with you on this point. But not for the same reason as you've stated. I don't own an extra battery. I don't need one. While I feel that the iPhone's battery lacks in capacity, I don't feel it's one of its weak points. And if the battery goes bad, the techs at the Apple store will fix that for you right away. Sometimes for free, even if you're out of warranty. I see no argument here.
Not needed with cloud storage. Which is free.
Also agreed, as stated above. I have a 32GB card that I fill with pictures and ****. (That's the truth) But even then it's unnecessary. Apple and Androids BOTH have cloud services. It's just that Apple makes a bigger deal about it, as they do with everything they market. Even the Microsoft phones can use cloud services. This is not something exclusive to Apple or any other device.
Please don't - it's clear that we disagree, and I think that's just the fundamental nature of certain things like politics, religion, and technology.
Enjoy using your hardware, I'll enjoy using mine. The best part is we can both do that in our vettes.
Yep! But at least be more unbiased. I'm very unbiased. This is why I suggested an iPhone for my mom and I bought an Android. It's not necessarily about how much one thing can do over the other. It's about what fits the bill.
Last edited by SCM_Crash; Oct 13, 2011 at 06:22 AM. Reason: typos
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This little vignette has been around for a couple of years and it's very funny, no doubt about it. But who is the real butt of the joke? She still bought an iPhone.
Isn't this level of customer loyalty the holy grail of business? How was it accomplished? Do you really think everyone that buys an iPhone is stupid?
Do you really?
Isn't this level of customer loyalty the holy grail of business? How was it accomplished? Do you really think everyone that buys an iPhone is stupid?
Do you really?
The butt of the joke is on the lemming iPhone buyer. /story
BTW, I don't know anyone who knows better that still has an iPhone.
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Posts: 216
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From: Waterford MI
I put $10 down that the touch interface you were wanting sounds like the CUE concept that they are going to be putting in all the Cadillacs..
I would not be surprised if GM put this in the Corvette.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/24177...ml#tk.rss_news
I personally wish the corvette has this interior touch system:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/engadget/videos/3321/
I would not be surprised if GM put this in the Corvette.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/24177...ml#tk.rss_news
I personally wish the corvette has this interior touch system:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/engadget/videos/3321/
Drifting
Joined: Jun 2003
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From: Ridgewood NJ
I'm expecting a system similar to the CUE system that will be included with the new Cadillac ATS and XTS. Anything less and I'll start hunting bean-counters.
Similar systems were shown off by the Stingray concept.
Similar systems were shown off by the Stingray concept.
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Racer
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From: North TX
DAMN! that is bad ***! 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvzIr...el_video_title
check this link, this is how the next vette's nav should be like.
check this link, this is how the next vette's nav should be like.
Racer
Joined: Oct 2009
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From: Oakville On
Very cool demo but it may be a while yet before this all comes together. Bit of a concern that so much touch screen interaction could become a dangerous distraction while driving. Voice commands are meant to play strongly in all this as well but I've yet to see a voice command system that could support this level of functionality.
We'll see.
We'll see.
Le Mans Master
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From: Oakland, CA
Yeah, C7 *should* get Cadillac's zooty new nav system, but Cadillac will want an exclusive on this, and I bet they get it. It's old GM thinking to "build" one brand by holding others back, but I'm not convinced they've let go of it yet. I guess this will be a good test case.
I bet C7 gets some warmed-over yestertech, just like C6 did. And some GM talking head will make the lame excuse that C7's interior was locked in before the new hotness was available. And then Corvette's low volume will be blamed for keeping that stale tech until C8 comes out.
Did C5 or C6 get the best center console tech when they debuted, and did they get any upgrades during their lifespans?
.Jinx
I bet C7 gets some warmed-over yestertech, just like C6 did. And some GM talking head will make the lame excuse that C7's interior was locked in before the new hotness was available. And then Corvette's low volume will be blamed for keeping that stale tech until C8 comes out.
Did C5 or C6 get the best center console tech when they debuted, and did they get any upgrades during their lifespans?
.Jinx
Le Mans Master
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From: Los Angeles California
As far as CUE goes, I think there are definitely some good concepts there. I like the volume control being a physical touch-sensitive slider. I'm not a fan of all the touch screen stuff for adjusting settings. But as long as everything can still be controlled by voice and the standard controls (like channel and volume) can be controlled with physical controls (i.e. *****, buttons and steering wheel controls), I see no issue with it.
In that video, two things I REALLY like are the customizable cluster and having the compartment behind those controls. VERY nice concepts. I welcome that in the new Vette. It makes good use of less space, as well as I'd like to have different cluster configurations for different driving moods.
That video was a huge plug for Pandora, which is fine, but I have both Pandora and Grooveshark and I find Grooveshark is far better. I'd like to see the manufacturers work with Grooveshark in addition to Pandora.
In that video, two things I REALLY like are the customizable cluster and having the compartment behind those controls. VERY nice concepts. I welcome that in the new Vette. It makes good use of less space, as well as I'd like to have different cluster configurations for different driving moods.
That video was a huge plug for Pandora, which is fine, but I have both Pandora and Grooveshark and I find Grooveshark is far better. I'd like to see the manufacturers work with Grooveshark in addition to Pandora.
Safety Car
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$1000 is A LOT OF MONEY after all.
I don't know what I would ever do without $1000 earning no interest in the bank
Safety Car
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From: Wildomar CA
We will have screens in our eyes...I get credit for this if it ever happens ok?
