Why Not?
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Drifting
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Why Not?
When the C7 is introduced, keep the C6Z06 and the C6ZR1 in production until the replacements are introduced.
This would mean that the production line could process both C6 and C7 chassis and the small number of engines (blocks) necessary for the C6 would continue to be produced.
This would mean that the production line could process both C6 and C7 chassis and the small number of engines (blocks) necessary for the C6 would continue to be produced.
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When the C7 is introduced, keep the C6Z06 and the C6ZR1 in production until the replacements are introduced.
This would mean that the production line could process both C6 and C7 chassis and the small number of engines (blocks) necessary for the C6 would continue to be produced.
This would mean that the production line could process both C6 and C7 chassis and the small number of engines (blocks) necessary for the C6 would continue to be produced.
I think they are currently having a hard enough time unloading the ones that they've already built. At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if dealers still have an inventory of unsold C6Z's 1-2 years into C7 sales. Why continue to build them along side the next generation if they aren't selling very well right now (or only selling at huge discounts)?
Unless ... are you implying that the C7 will suck donkey *****? If so, then maybe GM should just keep building the C6 for another 8 years like they did with the C3.
Anyways, the era of the C6 is coming to an end soon. Allow it to ride off into the sunset with dignity. Just my opinion.
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When the C7 is introduced, keep the C6Z06 and the C6ZR1 in production until the replacements are introduced.
This would mean that the production line could process both C6 and C7 chassis and the small number of engines (blocks) necessary for the C6 would continue to be produced.
This would mean that the production line could process both C6 and C7 chassis and the small number of engines (blocks) necessary for the C6 would continue to be produced.
No reason to keep the C6Z when the C7 base is going to push the same level of performance just like how the C5Z and the C6 base did.
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If you expect the base C7 to outrun, or run within a hair's breadth of, the C6 Z06, I think you will be disappointed.
C7 will be short on power compared to C6 Z06, by 10%, and won't be significantly lighter. (I suspect it might actually be a skosh heavier.) It'll have less contact patch too, if not less braking.
Expect C7 to best the C6 GrandSport, but not C6 Z06.
But that's no reason to keep building Z06s or ZR1s. Better to give those models time off, let dealers sell out their stock, and build up anticipation for what comes next.
.Jinx
C7 will be short on power compared to C6 Z06, by 10%, and won't be significantly lighter. (I suspect it might actually be a skosh heavier.) It'll have less contact patch too, if not less braking.
Expect C7 to best the C6 GrandSport, but not C6 Z06.
But that's no reason to keep building Z06s or ZR1s. Better to give those models time off, let dealers sell out their stock, and build up anticipation for what comes next.
.Jinx
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C6's weren't on the same performance level as a C5Z until 2008 (3 years of LS2 production). And even with the LS3 C6s it was still slightly in favor of the C5Z.
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On paper. The Z51 package made those early base C6s more of a contender than any unmodded C5Z owner wanted to admit.
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The dominant editorial slant of the C6 introduction, which all the mags followed, was "is the new Corvette the equal of the old Z06?" The answer was as consistent as the question, which was "it's really really close -- the Z06 beats the new Z51 on the track by a nose, but the new car is so much better otherwise that it's the better choice."
Heck, it seemed like the C6 forum debated this question almost weekly, specifically because the new car was so close. Old Z06 owners could maintain their hardcore purist reputation, new C6 buyers could be happy with the performance of their GT.
.Jinx
Heck, it seemed like the C6 forum debated this question almost weekly, specifically because the new car was so close. Old Z06 owners could maintain their hardcore purist reputation, new C6 buyers could be happy with the performance of their GT.
.Jinx
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Ran several of them at the drags and it was a drivers race in a stock C6. LS2 with just LT, CAI, and tune put down 385 & 385 and would walk away from a C5 with the same mods.
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I've also raced 2 LS2 C6s. A 6-speed auto and a 6 speed manual. I walked them both. The first one my car was bone stock. The second one I had the Vararam installed. But I don't believe that the outcome would have been different either way.
Considering my experience in this, if I were driving both a C6 Z51 and my Z06 on a road course, (rather than a straight) I'm sure I would be faster in my C5Z.
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I don't even have LTs and tuned I make 380RWHP.
I have LTs sitting in my garage just waiting to be put on. But I promise that if a C6 and C5Z have the exact same mods, the C5Z is faster. If it's not, the driver isn't very good. Driver makes all the difference. Case in point:Took my dad and his Solstice GXP out to LACR (when they were still around). He ran a 15.8 in his best run. On my first run I ran a 14.5 and in my best run I ran a 14.2.
My friend had an 04 Z16 Z06. His best run was 13.3. (He obviously isn't good with a stick.)
I have an 03 Z06. My first run was 12.9, best run was 12.6. (Totally bone stock.)
Both runs were at 3000 DA.
All of these runs were on either stock or street tires. No DRs or anything.
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When the C7 is introduced, keep the C6Z06 and the C6ZR1 in production until the replacements are introduced.
This would mean that the production line could process both C6 and C7 chassis and the small number of engines (blocks) necessary for the C6 would continue to be produced.
This would mean that the production line could process both C6 and C7 chassis and the small number of engines (blocks) necessary for the C6 would continue to be produced.
They should do what Porsche does and actively reduce the numbers as sales slow so not to ***** out their cars with deep discounts and keep their perceived brand value high.
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LOL! My friend's C5Z with LTs and CAI made 397RWHP. (Super aggressive tune) This was tuned at CMS and we all know Ryne's dyno read's low.
I don't even have LTs and tuned I make 380RWHP. I have LTs sitting in my garage just waiting to be put on. But I promise that if a C6 and C5Z have the exact same mods, the C5Z is faster. If it's not, the driver isn't very good. Driver makes all the difference. Case in point:
Took my dad and his Solstice GXP out to LACR (when they were still around). He ran a 15.8 in his best run. On my first run I ran a 14.5 and in my best run I ran a 14.2.
My friend had an 04 Z16 Z06. His best run was 13.3. (He obviously isn't good with a stick.)
I have an 03 Z06. My first run was 12.9, best run was 12.6. (Totally bone stock.)
Both runs were at 3000 DA.
All of these runs were on either stock or street tires. No DRs or anything.
I don't even have LTs and tuned I make 380RWHP.
I have LTs sitting in my garage just waiting to be put on. But I promise that if a C6 and C5Z have the exact same mods, the C5Z is faster. If it's not, the driver isn't very good. Driver makes all the difference. Case in point:Took my dad and his Solstice GXP out to LACR (when they were still around). He ran a 15.8 in his best run. On my first run I ran a 14.5 and in my best run I ran a 14.2.
My friend had an 04 Z16 Z06. His best run was 13.3. (He obviously isn't good with a stick.)
I have an 03 Z06. My first run was 12.9, best run was 12.6. (Totally bone stock.)
Both runs were at 3000 DA.
All of these runs were on either stock or street tires. No DRs or anything.
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.Jinx
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12.4 @ 116 in Oklahoma of all places on DRs, 12.6 on the run craps. My 05 C6 weighed in a little shy of 3100 lbs. 6 Speed car and I even installed the DTE rear brace because I was afraid the rear case would let go on me. Highest ever launch RPM was 3,000 RPM and I would usually stay in the 2,000 range, again because of the worry about the diff. Pretty confident several tenths could have been shaved if the launch RPM was pushed up, but was never brave enough to try. Tune was set for 91 octane because 93 is scarce around here. Anyway, I had a lot of fun with car and ran some friends who had the C5 Z's, they ran good, but they didn't beat me and they had the same mods...
I don't know, to be honest. But I pulled the second one really bad with the Vararam. I don't think gearing would have helped him much if he didn't have it. The first one I walked without even thinking he had a chance. That was the auto as well.
