Could this be it..
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Before you officially say that explain how the 2012 GTR is quicker than the ZR1 in a drag race?
The vette being lighter and more aerodynamic for starters, and not to mention the 50ish HP difference between the 2 cars. I am guessing the vette should consistently be at least 3 cars ahead everytime.
According to road and track march 2012 issue
ZR1
Weight 3365
0- 60 = 3.5 seconds
0 - 100 = 7.3
1/4mi. = 11.5 @ 128.7mph
GTR
Weight 3965
0- 60 = 2.9
0 - 100 = 7.1
1/4mi. = 11.1 @ 124.3mph
I bet AWD has alot to do with these numbers!
The vette being lighter and more aerodynamic for starters, and not to mention the 50ish HP difference between the 2 cars. I am guessing the vette should consistently be at least 3 cars ahead everytime.
According to road and track march 2012 issue
ZR1
Weight 3365
0- 60 = 3.5 seconds
0 - 100 = 7.3
1/4mi. = 11.5 @ 128.7mph
GTR
Weight 3965
0- 60 = 2.9
0 - 100 = 7.1
1/4mi. = 11.1 @ 124.3mph
I bet AWD has alot to do with these numbers!
Another thing is it's dual clutch vs stick. If not for that, the mph would have been probably closer to 7mph apart.
From a roll, a car that runs a time 3+mph slower then another is gonna get hurt. Youtube is full of stock z06's beating stock gtr's. And on a road course, a z07 is capable of beating a gtr. The zr1 shouldn't be worried. And don't forget a base z06+drag radials is thousands upon thousands cheaper then a gtr now.
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Indeed, but as I said before, the skill/experience of the driver is not a reflection of the level of car. Hence why the zr1 record is a second or so better then the time you listed. That is, in fact, a reflection of the cars ability. The world record for a 2013 gtr is probably within .3 of the fastest printed magazine time. That's because that's it, that's what the car will run and no amount of clutch control(waitwut), throttle feathering, adjusting for temperature or track conditions, or overall just experience, can change that. Get the launch just right, nail every shift point, and an 11.1 is far from difficult. The launch control on the gtr is the ideal way to get a good time, so however its programmed, and the weather, are its limiting factors.
Another thing is it's dual clutch vs stick. If not for that, the mph would have been probably closer to 7mph apart.
From a roll, a car that runs a time 3+mph slower then another is gonna get hurt. Youtube is full of stock z06's beating stock gtr's. And on a road course, a z07 is capable of beating a gtr. The zr1 shouldn't be worried. And don't forget a base z06+drag radials is thousands upon thousands cheaper then a gtr now.
Another thing is it's dual clutch vs stick. If not for that, the mph would have been probably closer to 7mph apart.
From a roll, a car that runs a time 3+mph slower then another is gonna get hurt. Youtube is full of stock z06's beating stock gtr's. And on a road course, a z07 is capable of beating a gtr. The zr1 shouldn't be worried. And don't forget a base z06+drag radials is thousands upon thousands cheaper then a gtr now.
Exactly. 
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The world's quickest street legal cars are RWD and in the 6's in the 1/4mile. AWD cars are not close.
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The world's quickest street legal cars are RWD and in the 6's in the 1/4mile.
And I bet they are tubbed out with 30" drag racing slicks on them pah! I can easily tub out any RWD car and give it monstrous HP and not worry about traction
And if I am not mistaken most of those drag racing slicks arent DOT approved, so if that is the case then the car isnt really "street legal" now is it?
AWD cars are not close.
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Indeed, but as I said before, the skill/experience of the driver is not a reflection of the level of car. Hence why the zr1 record is a second or so better then the time you listed. That is, in fact, a reflection of the cars ability. The world record for a 2013 gtr is probably within .3 of the fastest printed magazine time. That's because that's it, that's what the car will run and no amount of clutch control(waitwut), throttle feathering, adjusting for temperature or track conditions, or overall just experience, can change that. Get the launch just right, nail every shift point, and an 11.1 is far from difficult. The launch control on the gtr is the ideal way to get a good time, so however its programmed, and the weather, are its limiting factors.
Another thing is it's dual clutch vs stick. If not for that, the mph would have been probably closer to 7mph apart.
From a roll, a car that runs a time 3+mph slower then another is gonna get hurt. Youtube is full of stock z06's beating stock gtr's. And on a road course, a z07 is capable of beating a gtr. The zr1 shouldn't be worried. And don't forget a base z06+drag radials is thousands upon thousands cheaper then a gtr now.
Another thing is it's dual clutch vs stick. If not for that, the mph would have been probably closer to 7mph apart.
From a roll, a car that runs a time 3+mph slower then another is gonna get hurt. Youtube is full of stock z06's beating stock gtr's. And on a road course, a z07 is capable of beating a gtr. The zr1 shouldn't be worried. And don't forget a base z06+drag radials is thousands upon thousands cheaper then a gtr now.
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I deny it, and the facts deny it. The fastest accelerating wheel driven cars in the world are RWD. The most mosterous horsepower wheel driven cars in the world are RWD. 800HP is monsterous, pah! try 8,000HP and RWD.
The world's quickest street legal cars are RWD and in the 6's in the 1/4mile. AWD cars are not close.
The world's quickest street legal cars are RWD and in the 6's in the 1/4mile. AWD cars are not close.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwF-kr91uxU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yWvH...ayer_embedded#
RWD
And yes, tubbed out with big slicks. But that still doesn't make it untrue.
Something either is or it isn't, we can't just conveniently throw up a flag or mark it with a footnote or asterisk* every time something doesn't fit our discussion/argument.
Point taken, but again there we go with the extra added in 'if' and 'but' excuses again.
No matter how one dissects it or perceives it, the C6 Z06 and C6 ZR1 are still insanely fast cars and truly capable of 10 second 1/4 mile times (10.9 and 10.6 respectively) in bone stock trim, this is proven fact, cut and dry.
There is no "well if my grandmother was driving it" or "well, the track was extra sticky that day" etc.
We're talking about cars here, not people.
The cars are CLEARLY capable of those numbers, period.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yWvH...ayer_embedded#
RWD
And yes, tubbed out with big slicks. But that still doesn't make it untrue.
Something either is or it isn't, we can't just conveniently throw up a flag or mark it with a footnote or asterisk* every time something doesn't fit our discussion/argument.
I agree with you, but all you are saying applies to a person with skill. To get the ZR1 to perform better than what the magazines say, you have to possess that skill. I am 38, been driving for over 20 years, (7 years as a commercial driver) and I learned how to drive on a stick. I guess its safe to say I am a skilled driver. But to give an average joe keys to a car with 638hp, he or she isnt going to know how to launch it let alone drive it safely while trying to race it. My point is a high powered RWD car isnt for every schmuck that qualifies for a license. I live in NYC and believe me they seem to hand out licenses to just about anyone.
No matter how one dissects it or perceives it, the C6 Z06 and C6 ZR1 are still insanely fast cars and truly capable of 10 second 1/4 mile times (10.9 and 10.6 respectively) in bone stock trim, this is proven fact, cut and dry.
There is no "well if my grandmother was driving it" or "well, the track was extra sticky that day" etc.
We're talking about cars here, not people.
The cars are CLEARLY capable of those numbers, period.
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Why dont they give us what we want!!! THIS!!!!!
Come on GM. Get your finger out.
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I agree, imo hard straight angles like that dont belong on a vette - looks like a ricer to me. I really dont like the look of the c6, so I bought a m3 after my c5z. BUT I have been saving for the c7 ever since I saw that sexy prototype they built with the split rear window. If they come out with another c6 look alike I'm spending my money somewhere else.
Why dont they give us what we want!!! THIS!!!!!
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Come on GM. Get your finger out.
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I didnt say "they are" i said "they probably are", meaning it is an educated guess. And before you jump to say I am wrong, you would have to first poll the entire vette owning community to see who drives a stick or auto and then ask them if they want AWD. lol 
Except... "probably are" is a big assumption in itself. ALMOST no different from "they are". So start your poll...
There are a few reasons why I wouldnt mind seeing AWD, number 1 it would be interesting to see how GM would design the thing. 2 it would also be used as a safety feature on wet pavements since I see alot of you guys use your car in rain and stuff. I would like it for the reason that it would put the power to the ground alot better than a stand alone RWD. You cant deny the fact that an AWD car can handle monstrous power levels better than any RWD out there. The HP levels of the newer cars are getting bigger. My guess is that the C8 might very well be sold off the showroom floor with 600+ HP.
Except... the fact that AWD car owners that drag race their cars actually convert their cars to RWD regardless of the power they're making.
Do you use an automatic just as much as you use a manual? If not then this statement isnt really valid. The odds change unless you drive each type of tranny equally. Yes it takes alot more skill to launch and shift a manual. But its not only that for me, It also allows the driver more control of the vehicle which is one of the many reasons I prefer it over an automatic.
Actually... I do. I've driven autos and manuals just as much as the other. Easily 50/50. I have FAR more control with a manual. (That's the undeniable truth!) And the fact remains that I'm a better driver with a manual.
Except... "probably are" is a big assumption in itself. ALMOST no different from "they are". So start your poll...
There are a few reasons why I wouldnt mind seeing AWD, number 1 it would be interesting to see how GM would design the thing. 2 it would also be used as a safety feature on wet pavements since I see alot of you guys use your car in rain and stuff. I would like it for the reason that it would put the power to the ground alot better than a stand alone RWD. You cant deny the fact that an AWD car can handle monstrous power levels better than any RWD out there. The HP levels of the newer cars are getting bigger. My guess is that the C8 might very well be sold off the showroom floor with 600+ HP.
Except... the fact that AWD car owners that drag race their cars actually convert their cars to RWD regardless of the power they're making.
Do you use an automatic just as much as you use a manual? If not then this statement isnt really valid. The odds change unless you drive each type of tranny equally. Yes it takes alot more skill to launch and shift a manual. But its not only that for me, It also allows the driver more control of the vehicle which is one of the many reasons I prefer it over an automatic.
Actually... I do. I've driven autos and manuals just as much as the other. Easily 50/50. I have FAR more control with a manual. (That's the undeniable truth!) And the fact remains that I'm a better driver with a manual.
Before you officially say that explain how the 2012 GTR is quicker than the ZR1 in a drag race?
The vette being lighter and more aerodynamic for starters, and not to mention the 50ish HP difference between the 2 cars. I am guessing the vette should consistently be at least 3 cars ahead everytime.
According to road and track march 2012 issue
ZR1
Weight 3365
0- 60 = 3.5 seconds
0 - 100 = 7.3
1/4mi. = 11.5 @ 128.7mph
GTR
Weight 3965
0- 60 = 2.9
0 - 100 = 7.1
1/4mi. = 11.1 @ 124.3mph
I bet AWD has alot to do with these numbers!
The vette being lighter and more aerodynamic for starters, and not to mention the 50ish HP difference between the 2 cars. I am guessing the vette should consistently be at least 3 cars ahead everytime.
According to road and track march 2012 issue
ZR1
Weight 3365
0- 60 = 3.5 seconds
0 - 100 = 7.3
1/4mi. = 11.5 @ 128.7mph
GTR
Weight 3965
0- 60 = 2.9
0 - 100 = 7.1
1/4mi. = 11.1 @ 124.3mph
I bet AWD has alot to do with these numbers!
I deny it, and the facts deny it. The fastest accelerating wheel driven cars in the world are RWD. The most mosterous horsepower wheel driven cars in the world are RWD. 800HP is monsterous, pah! try 8,000HP and RWD.
The world's quickest street legal cars are RWD and in the 6's in the 1/4mile. AWD cars are not close.
The world's quickest street legal cars are RWD and in the 6's in the 1/4mile. AWD cars are not close.
Melting Slicks
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Point taken, but again there we go with the extra added in 'if' and 'but' excuses again.
No matter how one dissects it or perceives it, the C6 Z06 and C6 ZR1 are still insanely fast cars and truly capable of 10 second 1/4 mile times (10.9 and 10.6 respectively) in bone stock trim, this is proven fact, cut and dry.
No matter how one dissects it or perceives it, the C6 Z06 and C6 ZR1 are still insanely fast cars and truly capable of 10 second 1/4 mile times (10.9 and 10.6 respectively) in bone stock trim, this is proven fact, cut and dry.
There is no "well if my grandmother was driving it" or "well, the track was extra sticky that day" etc.
We're talking about cars here, not people.
We're talking about cars here, not people.
The cars are CLEARLY capable of those numbers, period.
Last edited by pTr73; Feb 16, 2012 at 01:54 PM.
Melting Slicks
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The ZR1 has 638hp and does the 1/4mi in 11.5 @ 128mph
(according to road and track march 2012 issue)
Sure the GTR gets out of the hole quick, but then it runs out of breath and falls on its face. AWD becomes a crutch more than an advantage once these cars are moving.
Considering both cars are road racing cars, there's a lot to be said about a car that is no longer in its element once it's moving. Yay for the hard launch... Boo for the long run.
Yep! Exactly. If AWD was really that much better for drag racing, they'd figure out how to make dragsters AWD. But they don't. They put skinnies on the front and sticky tires on the back. That's simply the formula for success.
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The Z06 doesn't have any problem taking the GT-R out on the highway and it's a lot less hp than the ZR1. Also the record for a Z06 is in the 10's, is it not? Hell the record for the ZR1 with drag radials is a 10.33
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And in the realm of sports cars, yes, the Corvette IS an inexpensive sports car- it is the exact essence of an inexpensive sports car.
Take your vette to a Cars and Coffee meet one Saturday morning, preferably in a metropolitan city, and tell me where on the line graph its MSRP falls in contrast to its capability falls, all in relativity to the sports cars lined up around you. Price = Low, Capability = High.
You can't buy a halfway optioned Tahoe or F150, Cadillac or Acura for any less than it costs to get into a new Corvette. Where people get this idea that the Vette is expensive is beyond me. $40k for a brand new car these days IS NOT in the upper deck of the ballpark in any way.
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Melting Slicks
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But then you have the amateur vids on youtube of a street encounter between the 2 cars and the vette has some average joe behind the wheel of a Z06 or ZR1 with his smokey launch and 2.4 sec upshifts. And you can imagine all the comments that come from the nissan fanboys after that.