Could this be it..
Burning Brakes
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From: Cary NC
C7 Adding A Spoiler!
I have confirmed early spy pics of a test mule showing the new spoiler that will be standard on the C7. GM is adding spoilers to make the new generation Corvette competitive with the high performance vehicles being considered as alternative choices by the much-desired younger demographic of sports car purchasers.
Le Mans Master
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St. Jude Donor '11-'12-'13-'14-'15-'16-'17
Le Mans Master
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This is what I was saying earlier. If people had had this attitude in the early 80's, the C3 diehards would have said, "If you want a fast car that doesn't handle like crap, go buy a Porsche; we like our inexpensive, body-roll-tastic C3 just the way it is," and the FRC, Z06 and ZR-1/ZR1 would never have existed. Somebody listened to the people agitating for change, and we got the C4, C5, and C6, and people around the world started paying attention, because the Corvette could roll with the best in the world. I don't want to see the design get dug in, get long in the tooth, and become irrelevant on the world stage again, like the Corvette pretty much was in 1980.
I love the Corvette, that's why I want it to keep up. Sure, most Corvette owners want the car to stick with tried-and-true tradition, but most Corvette owners (if the cars on the dealer lots are any indication) also like 4-speed slushboxes, so their opinion on sports cars is utterly worthless anyway; they'd take whatever crap GM shoveled onto their plate with a smile on their face and call it the greatest thing since sliced bread. Its the people who are shopping for the best car that they need to worry about placating, because they're the ones who are going to compare an inferior-performing GM car to a superior-performing car from another brand, and leave GM for that other brand. Right now, the C6 is pretty much top dog in its price bracket; with the GTR and maybe the GT 500 as its only legitimate rivals. I'd like it to stay that way.
I love the Corvette, that's why I want it to keep up. Sure, most Corvette owners want the car to stick with tried-and-true tradition, but most Corvette owners (if the cars on the dealer lots are any indication) also like 4-speed slushboxes, so their opinion on sports cars is utterly worthless anyway; they'd take whatever crap GM shoveled onto their plate with a smile on their face and call it the greatest thing since sliced bread. Its the people who are shopping for the best car that they need to worry about placating, because they're the ones who are going to compare an inferior-performing GM car to a superior-performing car from another brand, and leave GM for that other brand. Right now, the C6 is pretty much top dog in its price bracket; with the GTR and maybe the GT 500 as its only legitimate rivals. I'd like it to stay that way.
1982 Ferrari 308 GTS 0-60 mph 7.2 Quarter mile 15.6
1982 Corvette 0-60 mph 7.9 Quarter mile 16.1
1981 Porsche 911 SC 0-60 mph 6.6 Quarter mile 15.0
1985 Chevrolet Corvette 0-60 mph 5.6 Quarter mile 13.9
1984 Porsche 911 Carrera 0-60 mph 6.1 Quarter mile 14.4
1986 Ferrari 328 GTS 0-60 mph 5.5 Quarter mile 14.2
Early 80's were not good, they got better in the mid 80's.
1984 Z51 Corvette kick everybodies tail in lateral acceleration with 1.0g when others were in the mid to high .8's
Last edited by Racer X; Feb 13, 2012 at 04:53 PM.
Le Mans Master
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St. Jude Donor '11-'12-'13-'14-'15-'16-'17
I was driving in the early 80's and ALL cars except the absolute most exotic performed like crap.
1982 Ferrari 308 GTS 0-60 mph 7.2 Quarter mile 15.6
1982 Corvette 0-60 mph 7.9 Quarter mile 16.1
1981 Porsche 911 SC 0-60 mph 6.6 Quarter mile 15.0
1985 Chevrolet Corvette 0-60 mph 5.6 Quarter mile 13.9
1984 Porsche 911 Carrera 0-60 mph 6.1 Quarter mile 14.4
1986 Ferrari 328 GTS 0-60 mph 5.5 Quarter mile 14.2
Early 80's were not good, they got better in the mid 80's.
1984 Z51 Corvette kick everybodies tail in lateral acceleration with 1.0g when others were in the mid to high .8's
1982 Ferrari 308 GTS 0-60 mph 7.2 Quarter mile 15.6
1982 Corvette 0-60 mph 7.9 Quarter mile 16.1
1981 Porsche 911 SC 0-60 mph 6.6 Quarter mile 15.0
1985 Chevrolet Corvette 0-60 mph 5.6 Quarter mile 13.9
1984 Porsche 911 Carrera 0-60 mph 6.1 Quarter mile 14.4
1986 Ferrari 328 GTS 0-60 mph 5.5 Quarter mile 14.2
Early 80's were not good, they got better in the mid 80's.
1984 Z51 Corvette kick everybodies tail in lateral acceleration with 1.0g when others were in the mid to high .8's
Team Owner
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It too comes with virtual race tires (along with it's AWD "advantage"), just like the Z06 in that test.
The Nissan GT-R is "shoed" by Bridgestone and Dunlop with specially developed tires with stiff treads, essential for high-speed driving.
From Nissan's press Release:
Tires:
As befits a very special car, so the tires for the Nissan GT-R are unique, specially developed for Nissan's flagship. The tires offer an extraordinary combination of high-speed balance, high-grip cornering on the world's most testing racing circuits (such as the Nürburgring), great traction in the rain plus pliant comfort in the city.
Specially developed by Bridgestone and Dunlop, the tires have very stiff treads, essential for high-speed driving.
Team Owner
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I will be driving manual transmissions until they bury me in the ground.
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Le Mans Master
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Yep... I bought a Z06 for a reason. I don't like autos. The only way I'd want one is if I at least had 1 manual. So if I'm going to have just 1 car, it will be a manual.
Burning Brakes
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From: Southern IL
I hope they still have time to tweak the exterior a little bit...because that tail end is BUTT UGLY. 
They have a good start so far, but dang they NEED to listen to some customer feedback a bit before they hit the green light on production....please GM please...
They have a good start so far, but dang they NEED to listen to some customer feedback a bit before they hit the green light on production....please GM please...
Melting Slicks
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From: The Lost Borough, NYC
Are you saying that people who drive automatics dont have skill? I dont think a transmission type matters whether or not you have the urges to "mash the gas" or not. You can easily lose control of an automatic equipped vehicle as well if your not careful. I have driving skill, but still mash the gas at times. Of course I only do it when I see its feasible.
Team Owner
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Well said. From a drag racing perspective at least, it is well known that the manuals
do take quite a bit more skill to master than the automatics but that certainly doesn't mean that the automatics drive themselves either. I can assure everyone that the record setting stock and bolt on results that I've achieved in my C6 didn't come easily or by merely utilizing the ol' stab & steer method like some tend to think LOL.
Le Mans Master
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Are you saying that people who drive automatics dont have skill? I dont think a transmission type matters whether or not you have the urges to "mash the gas" or not. You can easily lose control of an automatic equipped vehicle as well if your not careful. I have driving skill, but still mash the gas at times. Of course I only do it when I see its feasible.
I've crashed more cars with an auto than with manuals (actually, all the cars I've crashed were autos), so there's no argument here. But lets be honest, it takes a lot more skill to launch a manual than an auto.
Drifting
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One could also argue that if that were true, that people wanted a RWD dual clutch trans car, that they were looking for the most efficient and quickest car you could get? There is no arguement that a DCT will always shift faster shaving valuble tenths off a track time, a human simply can not shift in miniscule fractions of a second. There is however an arguement that the added weight/characteristics of AWD are not beneficial soooooo...
Burning Brakes
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I see some of your points above but just need to note something...it's not like the Nissan GTR rides on '400 tread wear 60k+ mile life' tires either ya know.
It too comes with virtual race tires (along with it's AWD "advantage"), just like the Z06 in that test.
It too comes with virtual race tires (along with it's AWD "advantage"), just like the Z06 in that test.
Also, where did you get the times for the 80's C3? I wasn't seeing any 0-60 times lower than 9 seconds on the site I usually rely on. Not saying its wrong, I'm just concerned that all my statistics for years might have been off.
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Melting Slicks
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From: The Lost Borough, NYC
It appears that all the new exotics such as the likes of ferraris and lambos have clutchless transmissions now.
Melting Slicks
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But my point was that the people making comments about wanting AWD are the people that are looking for the best 0-60 times. And automatics make for better drag racing cars. Point being that he's making an assumption that it's the stick drivers that want AWD when it's not really biased towards any transmission.
I've crashed more cars with an auto than with manuals (actually, all the cars I've crashed were autos), so there's no argument here. But lets be honest, it takes a lot more skill to launch a manual than an auto.
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Melting Slicks
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The vette being lighter and more aerodynamic for starters, and not to mention the 50ish HP difference between the 2 cars. I am guessing the vette should consistently be at least 3 cars ahead everytime.
According to road and track march 2012 issue
ZR1
Weight 3365
0- 60 = 3.5 seconds
0 - 100 = 7.3
1/4mi. = 11.5 @ 128.7mph
GTR
Weight 3965
0- 60 = 2.9
0 - 100 = 7.1
1/4mi. = 11.1 @ 124.3mph
I bet AWD has alot to do with these numbers!
Team Owner
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One could also argue that if that were true, that people wanted a RWD dual clutch trans car, that they were looking for the most efficient and quickest car you could get? There is no arguement that a DCT will always shift faster shaving valuble tenths off a track time, a human simply can not shift in miniscule fractions of a second. There is however an arguement that the added weight/characteristics of AWD are not beneficial soooooo...
I've made RWD work in my particular situation so I personally don't need/want the 'downsides' (weight/cost/complexity) associated with most AWD systems, in my Corvettes at least.
Team Owner
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But yet in private hands a bone stock ZR1 has gone almost a full second quicker and nearly 4mph faster than that (10.6@132+mph) in the 1/4 mile.
Hmm, either the Road & Track test drivers are REALLY bad or perhaps Nissan pays them lots more for advertising LOL.
