Will the base 2014 C7 be faster than the 2013 GT500
02-10-2012, 12:48 PM
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02-10-2012, 02:35 PM
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650hp.....meh. So what. Only 12hp over that of a current ZR1, and while the ZR1 is incredibly quick now, imagine what it'd feel like with your 400lb obese friend strapped in the passenger seat next to you, and a full stereo system with two extra car batteries, 4 amplifiers, a pair of 12" subs in a box, and a host of screens and component sets. Then lift the car off the ground about 4 more inches, and swap the aluminum IRS for an iron solid axle.
Now you're about where the GT500's putting its crosshairs, lol.
Now you're about where the GT500's putting its crosshairs, lol.
I think it could be closer than ya think. I agree that the 2013 GT500 will likely edge out the base C7 in overall straight line performance (probably not in road course lap times though) but I'm betting that the best acceleration ETs for both cars will be within a couple tenths of each other, once tested in private hands (not magazine numbers).
In this competitive climate, I just don't think that the Corvette Team would ever release something that slow.
02-10-2012, 03:05 PM
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02-10-2012, 03:11 PM
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Man, who really cares? If you get a little faster in one or the other, is that all that matters to you? I like the Corvette for far more than just speed and I know it will be very fast...faster than I, or most other people, will probably ever attain given my abilities.
I think a lot of folks will NEVER attain the peak abilities of these cars unless they are pure trackers. That is the real question...which will be faster on the track and is that the only reason I will buy one?
I think a lot of folks will NEVER attain the peak abilities of these cars unless they are pure trackers. That is the real question...which will be faster on the track and is that the only reason I will buy one?
Look at the forum home page articles on ZR750 on Top Gear test track, C3 LS9 monster and the burnout super test. I don't see too many articles titled "garage queen shootout".
Me thinks you're a tiny minority.
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02-10-2012, 07:41 PM
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Man, who really cares? If you get a little faster in one or the other, is that all that matters to you? I like the Corvette for far more than just speed and I know it will be very fast...faster than I, or most other people, will probably ever attain given my abilities.
I think a lot of folks will NEVER attain the peak abilities of these cars unless they are pure trackers. That is the real question...which will be faster on the track and is that the only reason I will buy one?
I think a lot of folks will NEVER attain the peak abilities of these cars unless they are pure trackers. That is the real question...which will be faster on the track and is that the only reason I will buy one?
Well said!!
02-10-2012, 11:36 PM
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02-11-2012, 03:07 PM
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People will care when they are at a stop light in a new c7 and the 13 Shelby pulls up.
For me I'm going to test drive a c7 and a 13+ gt500. Then I'll make my decision.
For me I'm going to test drive a c7 and a 13+ gt500. Then I'll make my decision.
02-11-2012, 06:05 PM
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02-13-2012, 01:45 PM
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I think most vette fans do even if it's just for the sake of bench racing. Corvette has a rich racing history and it probably would not be here if not for Zora racing it. If you really don't care then why spend the money? Just buy a Chrysler Crossfire or a Miata.
Look at the forum home page articles on ZR750 on Top Gear test track, C3 LS9 monster and the burnout super test. I don't see too many articles titled "garage queen shootout".
Me thinks you're a tiny minority.
Look at the forum home page articles on ZR750 on Top Gear test track, C3 LS9 monster and the burnout super test. I don't see too many articles titled "garage queen shootout".
Me thinks you're a tiny minority.
The real issue is do we care that the Vette may or may not be a bit faster or slower than a Mustang. I don't and I doubt most would care one way or the other. The truth is that there is always a faster car! I've seen videos of Vettes losing drag races to an electric car and a diesel truck. WHO CARES?!
BTW, watching a burnout is not an indication that anyone cares about a Mustang being on the same level as a Vette.
If you are that on the fence about it, go buy a Mustang. Don't be fooled by the few that do have those thoughts here on Corvette Forum. This is the tiny minority you speak of.
02-13-2012, 04:01 PM
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Drifting
I think the more relevant question is whether the base car will be expected to just match or slightly exceed the performance of the Camaro ZL1, because that is one heckufa performance machine. It clobbered the Boss 302 around Laguna Seca and it has some seriously advanced suspension technology built in. I think it would be faster around a track than today's base C6 and probably even the GS. If history is any indication, they would build the C7 so that it is very close in acceleration and superior on the track. And that would make for one impressive vehicle.
02-13-2012, 04:07 PM
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Le Mans Master
02-13-2012, 07:01 PM
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You do know that the ZL1 is also probably over 400 pounds heavier than the Boss 302 Laguna Seca as well, right?
As we all know, weight is a REAL detriment on a road course, maybe more so than a power deficit in many cases.
And also, the Boss 302 Laguna Seca is built specifically for that type of thing.
But then again yes, so is the ZL1 as well I suppose.
The 2013 GT500 will be heavier than the Boss 302 (more so than even the current GT500 is due to the 2013's stronger/heavier duty parts) and more specifically nose heavier than it, but it will also likely be made to handle even better than the current GT500 as well.
And yes, it likely will still be lighter than the ZL1.
As we all know, weight is a REAL detriment on a road course, maybe more so than a power deficit in many cases.
And also, the Boss 302 Laguna Seca is built specifically for that type of thing.
But then again yes, so is the ZL1 as well I suppose.
The 2013 GT500 will be heavier than the Boss 302 (more so than even the current GT500 is due to the 2013's stronger/heavier duty parts) and more specifically nose heavier than it, but it will also likely be made to handle even better than the current GT500 as well.
And yes, it likely will still be lighter than the ZL1.
02-13-2012, 07:23 PM
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I think most vette fans do even if it's just for the sake of bench racing. Corvette has a rich racing history and it probably would not be here if not for Zora racing it. If you really don't care then why spend the money? Just buy a Chrysler Crossfire or a Miata.
Look at the forum home page articles on ZR750 on Top Gear test track, C3 LS9 monster and the burnout super test. I don't see too many articles titled "garage queen shootout".
Me thinks you're a tiny minority.
Look at the forum home page articles on ZR750 on Top Gear test track, C3 LS9 monster and the burnout super test. I don't see too many articles titled "garage queen shootout".
Me thinks you're a tiny minority.
My car has been a faithful and beloved daily driver for 12 years now. I have driven it across the country on wide open long straight interstates, along twisty coastal roads, on mountain passes, and on the city streets of Brooklyn and Manhattan (NOT recommended!).
I own a Corvette because it appeals to me in many different ways. Its racing heritage is not important for me (except in the obvious trickle down of performance that is usable to a casual driving enthusiast). It is the unique combination of looks, performance, price, and feel that float my boat.
That's not to say that my perspective is RIGHT and yours is WRONG. It's just an acknowledgment that different things are important to different people. It's dangerous to assume a single perspective as being applicable to others.
02-13-2012, 09:23 PM
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650hp.....meh. So what. Only 12hp over that of a current ZR1, and while the ZR1 is incredibly quick now, imagine what it'd feel like with your 400lb obese friend strapped in the passenger seat next to you, and a full stereo system with two extra car batteries, 4 amplifiers, a pair of 12" subs in a box, and a host of screens and component sets. Then lift the car off the ground about 4 more inches, and swap the aluminum IRS for an iron solid axle.
Now you're about where the GT500's putting its crosshairs, lol.
Now you're about where the GT500's putting its crosshairs, lol.
02-13-2012, 09:26 PM
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02-14-2012, 01:09 AM
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Drifting
Huh??????????? Dave Hill came from Cadilliac......... Juechter has been with Corvette for a very long time.
02-14-2012, 01:13 AM
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Drifting
There are a HUGE number of Corvette owners who suffer from severe inferority complexes. The stereotype of the 50 yr old walter middy types trying to prove they are a man and must have the fastest car (but never drive it in that fashion) has more truth behind it than many would every accept as possible.