Z06LUST

Note the ZL1 carries the MR suspension and an extra 130 hp...it damn well should have won that comparison.

As far as a GS comparo.... On a road course with long straights the GS would have a slight advantage over a Boss 302. Tighter road course with shorter straights the advantage goes to the Boss 302. In both cases the better driver would rule the day.

Just MY opinion...but then again I own a GS and a Boss 302...

One is a sports car and one is a pony car...just don't get the need to compare.

LS1LT1

True. But as noted earlier, it also carries 400+ more pounds than that 'specifically track tuned' Boss 302 Laguna Seca too.

NocarbutaVetteforme

The point is that the ZL1 is being compared to a car with 136 less HP. And whose fault is it that GM made the ZL1 so heavy? All of the bashing of the Mustang is going to come back to haunt some of the FORD haters. The 2013 GT500 is going to have more HP and better handling capabilities so let's see the comparison comparing Apples to Apples. I will even go out on a limb and say that the 2013 GT500 will beat the C7 around LS. The Boss 302 already beats the Z06. It took the Z07 to beat the Boss 302 LS.

Chicago1

because when the highschool kid starts beating up on the graduate kid people start to raise eyebrows. How much does 638 hp cost 110k plus? What does 650hp cost? Almost less then half that so people are going to comapre. Ford is firing on all cylinders and good for them. Pretty sad when your in you bad *** 2 seater sports car and you get rocked by the dude in a "Mustang" with a baby seat in the back. I know I would be a little hurt. Sad thing is a new Z06 can't hit 200mph plus but a "Mustang" now can. Time to wake up if you think a mustang is not a contender. If Ford ever brings over a real Focus I see them dominating even more. Sad part is I never owned a Ford product, either way fun times for everyone.

VetteNGT500

"One is a sports car and one is a pony car...just don't get the need to compare"




Ladies and Gentlemen!! we have a winner! get that man a ceeeegar...

LS1LT1

But based on that logic, couldn't we also ask: "And whose fault is it that Ford made the Boss 302 with so much less horsepower?" The point is that the Boss 302 was being compared to a car that weighs over 400 pounds more.
See how that works both ways.

But I do see what you're saying and I can assure you that I am NOT a Ford nor Mustang hater. I've owned 7 Fords with 4 of them being Mustang V8s and I'll likely own one again in the future as well.
That 2013 GT500 is going to be one serious machine.
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DRLC5

I would like it to be faster than the Nissan GTR. I am so tired of hearing about Godzilla. I want the C7 to sleigh the GTR. But 2.9sec 0 to 60 will be hard to beat and 10.8 qtr will also be very hard but Im pulling for the C7.

JustinStrife

The C6 Z06 is already faster than the GTR after 60mph. And the Z07 option is faster around a track. The GTR also costs 100k now vs the 72k it started out as several years ago.

I don't see a base C7 beating the GTR though if it's going to cost only a couple thousand more than current C6 base models...

LS1LT1

10.8? Out of a pure bone stock Nissan GTR? I'd figured that kind of ET was coming eventually but has that actually been verified?

Jinx

I think we sometimes get a little carried away with Corvette's "giant killer" reputation. Sure, GM could build a cheap big-horse motor, drop it into the cheapest bare-bones unimproved C6 chassis, and try to beat the world with brute force. But they'll make more people happy, and make themselves more money, and take a lot fewer potshots from car snobs, by refining the present tiered formula.

.Jinx

goatts

The targeted competition for the base C7 is not going to be the GTR. If that camouflaged thing we've been seeing is the C7 it is not even going to run with the C6. Even the ZR1 can't keep up with the GTR.

LS1LT1

You can determine all of that just by looking at a camouflaged test car going slow in the snow/ice?






Yes it can, and then some.
A bone stock C6 ZR1 have traversed the 1/4 mile in 10.6 seconds at almost 133mph...no stock Nissan has yet to do this.

And here, I'll save you some time with the classic 'ifs', 'buts' and 'whens' counterpoint excuses and comebacks:

"But on the street with an average driver...."
"If my grandmother was driving the Vette, the GTR would be way faster"
"Oh yeah sure, only when it's on a prepped track in good air maybe"

Did I miss any?

The Dizzy Vizzy

Somebody want to tell me what a Vert is?

I've seen this word all over these forums, but am currently unclear as to what Vert means?

Convertible?

LS1LT1

Yes, Vert or 'vert as I prefer to write it (on the rare occasions that I don't simply spell it out completely LOL) is simply short for convertible.

The Dizzy Vizzy

Thanks LS1, much appreciated!!!

goatts

The camouflaged car has longer wheelbase and more narrow wheels. That's all we can see but it's enough.

The ZR1 can barely keep up with the GTR on the ring. I was responding to the poster who was wanting the base C7 to run with a GTR.

JustinStrife

The ZR1 can barely keep up with the GTR? I believe you mean the GTR can barely keep up with the ZR1.

goatts

GTR was a little slower but it ran on a wet track. Would probably beat the ZR1 on dry track. Once again my point was the base model will never run with it. Not in the same class.

JustinStrife

Probably. Probably.

Basically you're a troll with no proof that the GTR is faster than a ZR1. Thanks for playing.

thebrander

HP doesn't matter nearly as much on a road course as many would like to think. Look at how close the Z07 and ZR1 times tend to be. The difference between those two cars is 133 HP. Everything else is functionally equivalent.

The ZL1 destroyed the Boss 302 with it's MR suspension and PTM. Many people don't know what those technologies are and how important they are to compensating for the ZL1's weight going in, through, and out of the corners. The 2013 GT500 will be faster at high speeds in a straight line than the ZL1. However, from a stoplight on street tires, the ZL1 will be more efficient at putting the torque down because of the MRS and PTM and I suspect it will be a driver's race. On slicks at a drag strip, the ZL1 will probably lose it's advantage and the GT500 will prevail with the higher HP/weight ratio.

However, I predict the ZL1 will be faster around a road course than the GT500 because of the MRS and PTM (Mustang fans please look this technology up if you haven't already). I predict the Shelby will lap somewhere in between the ZL1 and Boss 302. That is ZL1>2013 GT500>Boss 302 on most road courses. Think of the ZL1 as having "an optimized suspension tune at all times". When you add "automatic torque management" to the mix, it will be hard to beat.

I suspect the C7 will also have MRS and PTM and be close to Z07 performance because of this. The Shelby may actually reach 200mph, but it will not lap faster than the C7 (like I said above, it will not even out lap a ZL1) on any road course in the world under equal track and driver conditions.