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It didn't have to; Porsche isn't a one sports car model company, as they have the GT2, GT3, Boxster, Boxster S, Cayman, Cayman S. The same kind of framework exists at BMW.
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"Rectangular" object used to differentiate the math used to calculate volume using height/width/length with the math used to calculate the volume of a sphere. Calculating the volume of a Vette, as close as it can be calculated, would be approached by taking average height/width/length section cuts from to back and doing the appropriate math.
Because you associated weight with large.
What's that got to do with big?
What's that got to do with big?
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You are throwing around claims and do don't know what you're talking about.
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Where did I say it would be no problem to design the C7 with AWD? I already said AWD is out for the C7. For the C8, that may be a different matter. If you don't have the figures for the C6, just come right out and say it. Is it your supposition that the Ferrari FF's front axle to #1 cylinder position is that much different from a 612's?
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Porsche 960...
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But Porsche does; consider Porsche's Project 960, their mid-engined super car targeted for a 2015 release. The car will be a new platform to be shared by a number of variants, and will share components with the next 911 due in 2018.The 960 is targeted to compete for market share against the Ferrari 458 (and I know that you know how many units of that car are produced each year).
Porsche 960...
Porsche 960...
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Porsche has this 960, which (if it's like the 458), might do 3k/yr. But it's also expanding marketshare with the Macan...which do you think will sell in higher volumes? The X3, against which it will apparently compete, moved nearly 118k units last year.
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Once again, the concept of "market share" doesn't have a "production numbers" modifier.
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The GT2/GT3 sell in very tiny volumes, compared to the relatively fat and loaded up with luxuries Turbo. The same kind of frameworks exists at BMW, yet they don't go more hardcore to expand their marketshare; the M3 GTS's production volumes, at 150, is inconsequential. And pretty much reflects the dwindling appeal of a car like that. They've been trying to make a business case for a sportier car than the Z4, which has porked up considerably from the Z3. They can't make a business case for the proposed M6 "CSL" that was rumored years ago; nowadays, they have a 6 Series fattened up with larger rear seats, 2 extra doors, and the dubious "4-door coupe" tagline.
Where did I say it would be no problem to design the C7 with AWD? I already said AWD is out for the C7. For the C8, that may be a different matter. If you don't have the figures for the C6, just come right out and say it. Is it your supposition that the Ferrari FF's front axle to #1 cylinder position is that much different from a 612's?
Where did I say it would be no problem to design the C7 with AWD? I already said AWD is out for the C7. For the C8, that may be a different matter. If you don't have the figures for the C6, just come right out and say it. Is it your supposition that the Ferrari FF's front axle to #1 cylinder position is that much different from a 612's?
Since I'm not on a soap box, clamoring for AWD. I don't need to know the number. I'm perfectly satisfied with what GM has now.
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Corvette sales (say, ~25-30k in stable years) being augmented by, say, 10% AWD to a total of around 33k
vs
Corvette sales doing no better than 15k/yr (for example) due to practicality/space compromises that your typical front-engined GT/sportscar buyer doesn't want, and due to the core Corvette base vacating as they have no longer have the design heritage
We've been debating about what elements have been most responsible for increasing marketshare. Sportiness vs luxury/amenities/flab. Recent history has shown us that it's the latter, not the former. BMW and Porsche have limited their production volumes of the M3 GTS and GT2 RS to 150 and 500, largely because they know the market for such cars is relatively tiny. It will be interesting to see how the next GT2 RS plays out, in terms of production, with the 960 on the market.
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I don't have the number, never said I did. I asked you for the numbers because you are making the case for AWD yet you don't have the basic understanding of what modifications need to be made to the current C6 in order to have AWD in the future.
Since I'm not on a soap box, clamoring for AWD. I don't need to know the number. I'm perfectly satisfied with what GM has now.
Since I'm not on a soap box, clamoring for AWD. I don't need to know the number. I'm perfectly satisfied with what GM has now.
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What would get the attention of people who have the money to spend on high-end sports cars, and many potential buyers in Europe, is not the addition of AWD, but the mid-engine design.
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What would get the money of people who have the money to spend on high-end sports cars, and many potential buyers in Europe, is not the addition of AWD or a mid-engine design, but a different badge.
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The "increasing market share" I'm talking about with GM is with regard to increasing sales world wide. There would of course be some loss in the sales to strict Vette traditionalists, but this has to be evaluated against the potential increase in sales to those who have stayed away from the Vette because it has in fact remained so traditional. Additionally, the potential for a mid-engined, high performance (performance being what GM excels at) Vette on the world stage would certainly at least make a run at offsetting the loss of customers mentioned above.
What would get the attention of people who have the money to spend on high-end sports cars, and many potential buyers in Europe, is not the addition of AWD, but the mid-engine design.
What would get the attention of people who have the money to spend on high-end sports cars, and many potential buyers in Europe, is not the addition of AWD, but the mid-engine design.
I agree that mid-engined gets people's attention, but it's not necessarily for sporting purposes, especially in the supercar segment.
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I agree with that option as well.