only a select few dealership will sell the Viper...hope GM does the same with the C7!
09-25-2012, 11:33 PM
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The days of 30-40K units are long gone!! I wonder what GM's own targets are? I'm guessing 20-25K for the domestic market.
The dilemma with the Corvette is that it's a high-line car being sold amongst low-mid line cars therfore hurting the quality and customer service a high-line car needs.
What's wrong making a dealer prove itself before allowing them to sell your flagship car?
The dilemma with the Corvette is that it's a high-line car being sold amongst low-mid line cars therfore hurting the quality and customer service a high-line car needs.
What's wrong making a dealer prove itself before allowing them to sell your flagship car?
09-25-2012, 11:38 PM
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The days of 30-40K units are long gone!! I wonder what GM's own targets are? I'm guessing 20-25K for the domestic market.
The dilemma with the Corvette is that it's a high-line car being sold amongst low-mid line cars therfore hurting the quality and customer service a high-line car needs.
What's wrong making a dealer prove itself before allowing them to sell your flagship car?
The dilemma with the Corvette is that it's a high-line car being sold amongst low-mid line cars therfore hurting the quality and customer service a high-line car needs.
What's wrong making a dealer prove itself before allowing them to sell your flagship car?
09-25-2012, 11:42 PM
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09-26-2012, 12:24 AM
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I don't know. It was part of your argument.
What's wrong making a dealer prove itself before allowing them to sell your flagship car?
One thing is certain Corvette allotment will have a lot to do with which dealerships get the first C7's.
What's wrong making a dealer prove itself before allowing them to sell your flagship car?
One thing is certain Corvette allotment will have a lot to do with which dealerships get the first C7's.
09-26-2012, 12:32 AM
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http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-new...-ar135435.html
Good move on their part, especially the $5K in special training. This is showing they know they have a high-line car and want only select dealers handling their flagship.
This way only a small % of dealers are allowed to sell the car and this makes sure they are well prepared for proper Customer service before and after the car is sold.
I hope GM does something like this and better yet let select Cadillac dealers sell the Corvette as well.
Good move on their part, especially the $5K in special training. This is showing they know they have a high-line car and want only select dealers handling their flagship.
This way only a small % of dealers are allowed to sell the car and this makes sure they are well prepared for proper Customer service before and after the car is sold.
I hope GM does something like this and better yet let select Cadillac dealers sell the Corvette as well.
09-26-2012, 01:44 AM
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The days of 30-40K units are long gone!! I wonder what GM's own targets are? I'm guessing 20-25K for the domestic market.
The dilemma with the Corvette is that it's a high-line car being sold amongst low-mid line cars therfore hurting the quality and customer service a high-line car needs.
What's wrong making a dealer prove itself before allowing them to sell your flagship car?
The dilemma with the Corvette is that it's a high-line car being sold amongst low-mid line cars therfore hurting the quality and customer service a high-line car needs.
What's wrong making a dealer prove itself before allowing them to sell your flagship car?
09-26-2012, 02:11 AM
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There is NO doubt that the Corvette is GM's (and USA's) flagship car and it deserves to be sold & serviced by dealers that know how to handle such a car.
09-26-2012, 02:48 AM
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How many bare bones (Relatively) base Corvettes does GM make? Even so, since when is $50K chump change? Besides the avg. MSRP of the Corvette is much much higher. I wonder if anyone has this info?
There is NO doubt that the Corvette is GM's (and USA's) flagship car and it deserves to be sold & serviced by dealers that know how to handle such a car.
There is NO doubt that the Corvette is GM's (and USA's) flagship car and it deserves to be sold & serviced by dealers that know how to handle such a car.
09-26-2012, 08:19 AM
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It's not very complex, Ill give you that. But from one Vette to another there are subtle changes that an experienced technician needs to be aware of and I'd prefer he need not bring up a service manual for every small fix needed. An ex. the change in dry sump oiling capacity from 06-08 to the larger sump tank in 09-13. Very important detail. Or even the fact that a manual, targa, GS has a dry sump. No other GS has this. TPMS changes, frame differences, the under carriages have small subtleties from model to model. The Z06 and a base Vette are close to being two completely different cars. Yet they are both "Vettes". Same with the ZR1. What I would like is some general competency from dealerships on these cars. I think every Chevy dealer should be eligible to sell Vettes just as long as they can prove they know what they are doing and have the correct equipment.
09-26-2012, 08:32 AM
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My local dealer, 5 miles from my home has treated me and the last 6 vette's I bought from them flawlessly. I actually enjoy hanging out with the guys as many of them also frequent the 1/4 track on Test and Tune nights with their hobby cars and are all passionate car guys.I'm buying a vette not an Austin Martin. Having said that I will agree that if GM is going to use this business model then they need to be able to service and handle Corvette's and their owners professionally at any Chevrolet dealership in the US.
09-26-2012, 11:54 AM
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It's not very complex, Ill give you that. But from one Vette to another there are subtle changes that an experienced technician needs to be aware of and I'd prefer he need not bring up a service manual for every small fix needed. An ex. the change in dry sump oiling capacity from 06-08 to the larger sump tank in 09-13. Very important detail. Or even the fact that a manual, targa, GS has a dry sump. No other GS has this. TPMS changes, frame differences, the under carriages have small subtleties from model to model. The Z06 and a base Vette are close to being two completely different cars. Yet they are both "Vettes". Same with the ZR1. What I would like is some general competency from dealerships on these cars. I think every Chevy dealer should be eligible to sell Vettes just as long as they can prove they know what they are doing and have the correct equipment.
09-26-2012, 12:15 PM
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I am keeping my Camaro for another year. That means in Spring 14 I will be in the market for something a little higher end than a Base Corvette. I was originally looking at a ZL1 next Summer but with the rumors Keeks broke regarding an LT4 engine being put in the vehicle in MY 15 I will simply wait it out.
This puts me in a position where I am looking at the Nissan GTR the SRT Viper and ofcourse the rumored LT4 Mid Level Performance Corvette will be considered.
At 100k+ I would like exclusivity with my ride. That's something both the GTR and the Viper can offer to some very small extent they are not exotics but 100k Sports Cars that are rarely seen. I have seen maybe 3 GTRs this year and 3 Vipers.
With that said after reading extensively on Nagtroc and the Viper Forums I have concluded that this will be somewhat painful purchase in which I might need to shop around to avoid a market adjustment. Nissan is already screwing GTR customers over exclusivity by adjusting prices on the vehicle. What's even worse is I am not sure if they even specially train dealers who sell the GTR.
With that said General Motors dealerships generally don't have the needed training for these types of vehicles. I recently had a run in with my 10 SS Camaro and they took over 6 weeks to fix the vehicle. They kept mentioning that even after almost 4 years they don't have alot of experience working on Camaros there.
I would hate to bring a Z06 Corvette to a dealer with similar training.
While Dodge Viper is doing the right thing I would be naive to think the costs won't be translated over to the buyer in some if not most cases. Market Adjustments were going to be a stark reality regardless of the initial costs but something tells me they may be more extreme with the Viper at least during the first year maybe longer.
With that said though these things are needed. When you spend 100k+ for a vehicle you expect the person selling it to be able to know how to properly maintain it for you if they have a service department.
This puts me in a position where I am looking at the Nissan GTR the SRT Viper and ofcourse the rumored LT4 Mid Level Performance Corvette will be considered.
At 100k+ I would like exclusivity with my ride. That's something both the GTR and the Viper can offer to some very small extent they are not exotics but 100k Sports Cars that are rarely seen. I have seen maybe 3 GTRs this year and 3 Vipers.
With that said after reading extensively on Nagtroc and the Viper Forums I have concluded that this will be somewhat painful purchase in which I might need to shop around to avoid a market adjustment. Nissan is already screwing GTR customers over exclusivity by adjusting prices on the vehicle. What's even worse is I am not sure if they even specially train dealers who sell the GTR.
With that said General Motors dealerships generally don't have the needed training for these types of vehicles. I recently had a run in with my 10 SS Camaro and they took over 6 weeks to fix the vehicle. They kept mentioning that even after almost 4 years they don't have alot of experience working on Camaros there.
I would hate to bring a Z06 Corvette to a dealer with similar training.
While Dodge Viper is doing the right thing I would be naive to think the costs won't be translated over to the buyer in some if not most cases. Market Adjustments were going to be a stark reality regardless of the initial costs but something tells me they may be more extreme with the Viper at least during the first year maybe longer.
With that said though these things are needed. When you spend 100k+ for a vehicle you expect the person selling it to be able to know how to properly maintain it for you if they have a service department.
09-26-2012, 12:27 PM
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If the distaste isn't for poor customer service but for modest showrooms and the "riffraff" who shop there, buy a Porsche.
09-26-2012, 12:40 PM
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Yes, if they are competent mechanics. Do I really want to be on a road trip and find myself 400 miles from the nearest dealer allowed to work on my Chevy? No sir I do not. If you want your Corvette serviced exclusively at high-volume Corvette dealerships, feel free to make that distinction yourself and limit yourself, but don't try to impose that choice on the rest of us.
If I find I'm not getting adequate customer service, I stop doing business there. And you can get great or terrible service regardless of the "height" of the car line.
If the distaste isn't for poor customer service but for modest showrooms and the "riffraff" who shop there, buy a Porsche.
If I find I'm not getting adequate customer service, I stop doing business there. And you can get great or terrible service regardless of the "height" of the car line.
If the distaste isn't for poor customer service but for modest showrooms and the "riffraff" who shop there, buy a Porsche.
09-26-2012, 01:00 PM
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Yes, if they are competent mechanics. Do I really want to be on a road trip and find myself 400 miles from the nearest dealer allowed to work on my Chevy? No sir I do not. If you want your Corvette serviced exclusively at high-volume Corvette dealerships, feel free to make that distinction yourself and limit yourself, but don't try to impose that choice on the rest of us.
If I find I'm not getting adequate customer service, I stop doing business there. And you can get great or terrible service regardless of the "height" of the car line.
If the distaste isn't for poor customer service but for modest showrooms and the "riffraff" who shop there, buy a Porsche.
If I find I'm not getting adequate customer service, I stop doing business there. And you can get great or terrible service regardless of the "height" of the car line.
If the distaste isn't for poor customer service but for modest showrooms and the "riffraff" who shop there, buy a Porsche.
This isn't like owning a Porsche or Lambo, or Bugatti.
09-26-2012, 02:40 PM
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And btw, Porsche's are no where in the same league as a Lambo or a Bugatti just like a Corvette isn't.
09-26-2012, 07:31 PM
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"Anyone of us can still work on these cars".....not with all of todays technologies and complexities. And do the majority of owners really work on their cars? I don't think so! Maybe a few die hard fans on this forum but not in general.
And btw, Porsche's are no where in the same league as a Lambo or a Bugatti just like a Corvette isn't.
And btw, Porsche's are no where in the same league as a Lambo or a Bugatti just like a Corvette isn't.
09-26-2012, 11:19 PM
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2013 production will certainly be less than 2012 with the shorter run and the tanking economy. Why do you guess 20-25k?
2004 - 34064
2005 - 37372
2006 - 34,021
2007 - 40,561
2008 - 35,310
2009 - 16,956
2010 - 12,194
2011 - 13,596
2012 - 11,647
2013 - < 11,647
