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This poster is very full of himself as well as being full of something else. I know the head of the GM district office in my area and we spoke after he returned from Vegas last month. He would only confirm 2 things: the C7 will have a direct injection engine, and WILL NOT have a DCT.
If the starting performance envelope begins much higher, it's perfectly reasonable. If even the base model has the top of the line version's body, and wheels, and the same displacement and design engine, it's more than acceptable.
Ultimately, if the car turns faster lap times than a current Z06 for only $70K, it is a higher value product than the outgoing product any way you slice it.
For me personally it would be huge because I want a minimum of Z06 performance and new that is out of my budget. So if Chevy is going to release a Z06, I'd have no choice but to wait until I could buy a nice used C7 Z06 and I don't want to wait that long.
Back seats, improved mpg, lighter weight, 7 speed manual, etc are all big pluses to me.
Those are all nice improvements, sure, but a large part of the appeal of the Corvette is the relative affordability. Such a significant price jump would make a sizeable dent in that appeal, even if the extra cost was worth it.
Originally Posted by RonnieC6Z
This poster is very full of himself as well as being full of something else. I know the head of the GM district office in my area and we spoke after he returned from Vegas last month. He would only confirm 2 things: the C7 will have a direct injection engine, and WILL NOT have a DCT.
That would be a little disappointing. A DCT is one of the things I was most hoping for with the C7.
This poster is very full of himself as well as being full of something else. I know the head of the GM district office in my area and we spoke after he returned from Vegas last month. He would only confirm 2 things: the C7 will have a direct injection engine, and WILL NOT have a DCT.
Those are all nice improvements, sure, but a large part of the appeal of the Corvette is the relative affordability. Such a significant price jump would make a sizeable dent in that appeal, even if the extra cost was worth it.
That would be a little disappointing. A DCT is one of the things I was most hoping for with the C7.
We will not necessarily be disappointed! There are solutions out there that provide NEARLY the functionality of DCT (totally insofar as the "average" driver would notice) without the low-speed balkiness, weight and cost of the DCT. We're talking a torque converter that only is needed at low speeds (say below 5 MPH), and single clutch technology that gets 50 msec shifts in first gear, and 100 msec shifts in second and third, with crisp and direct downshifting -- remember, no torque converter sloppiness above 5 MPH. With proper shift paddles. It's all in the electronics and programming.
I have a sneaky feeling the C7 will be a showcase for developments like these and will blow you guys away. 2008 was a LONG time ago!
This poster is very full of himself as well as being full of something else. I know the head of the GM district office in my area and we spoke after he returned from Vegas last month. He would only confirm 2 things: the C7 will have a direct injection engine, and WILL NOT have a DCT.
I spoke to the owner of Rydell Chevy last night when i was picking up my car and he told me that the only thing that was revealed was the interior. (since rydell is the #1 dealer in CA he got an invite i guess) GM hid the entire body from the small invited group....He wouldnt let on any more information than that, but he did say that he was very pleased with the interior... he said he hadnt heard anything about specs and all those specs are just rumors or specULATIONS more than specIFICATIONs (ever looked up the rumors for iphones b4 they come out... the rumors for the 4S when it came out had things like a waterproof case, quad core, a whole revamped design...and it was nothing more than a 4 w/ a better chip...)bottom line, i bet there will be alot of things different from all the rumors (corps use rumors to help stir interest....this is a great example....) Though i still stick to my guess of the base being just under 500hp 0-60 just under 4 sec. I would've liked to see them move away from pushrod as well (talk about caveman tech lol) but i'm not gonna hold my breath for it
Given that GM has made very clear that the Gen V small block will be in the Corvette and we KNOW the Gen V is not DOHC, we know this prediction is not right.
To the OP: nice pipe dream but your numbers don't add up. There is no manual trans production car in the world of any power level that can achieve 3.3sec 0-60 on DOT street runflat tires. With sophisticated LC and a DCT / manumatic trans, yes, but not a manual. No one has yet developed real launch control for a pure manual trans.
Your base curb weight is also nonsense. GM has said the car will be "significantly" lighter. Your 3185 number is 6lb heavier than the 3179 curb weight of the base C6. Gotta know your facts if you are going to claim knowledge of the subject
DOHC - also BS. This adds 100lb of weight on its own and worsens fuel economy, defeating the purpose. DOHC is only good where cars are taxed by engine size. Pushrods are light and economical and the engine packages 30% smaller. Why would GM adopt an inferior engineering solution? What we WILL likely see in the base car for the first year is a 15% smaller displacement, direct injection, same or 5HP more than today's base car, with cyl deactivation for 10-15% better fuel mileage. We WILL see class-leading mileage in these new engines.
We will not see Lexan used in any production street car unless an exterior finish can be developed that is scratch resistant and enables Lexan to break like safety glass. I'm not aware of any such breakthrough at this time.
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We will not necessarily be disappointed! There are solutions out there that provide NEARLY the functionality of DCT (totally insofar as the "average" driver would notice) without the low-speed balkiness, weight and cost of the DCT. We're talking a torque converter that only is needed at low speeds (say below 5 MPH), and single clutch technology that gets 50 msec shifts in first gear, and 100 msec shifts in second and third, with crisp and direct downshifting -- remember, no torque converter sloppiness above 5 MPH. With proper shift paddles. It's all in the electronics and programming.
I have a sneaky feeling the C7 will be a showcase for developments like these and will blow you guys away. 2008 was a LONG time ago!
Just out of curiosity, if the DCT is the tranny of choice for McLaren, Ferrari, Porsche, Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Nissan GT-R, and many others, why can't GM pony up and offer it as an option in the C7? I have driven cars with DCT and they are amazing. Have you seen all of the reviews for the new Porsche Boxster with the PDK DTC? The raves are in! They just love everything about the PDK. And we are talking about a car that starts at $49K!
I would've liked to see them move away from pushrod as well (talk about caveman tech lol) but i'm not gonna hold my breath for it
The pushrod engine is caveman tech? You do realize how long overhead cam engines have existed, dont you? What is caveman about a more compact, lighter, more fuel efficient design?
SNIP What we WILL likely see in the base car for the first year is a 15% smaller displacement, direct injection, same or 5HP more than today's base car, with cyl deactivation for 10-15% better fuel mileage. We WILL see class-leading mileage in these new engines.
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You make six guesses here. I am guessing half of those are correct.
if this comes to be it's going to sink c6 values as it's going to be as big of a jump as the c4 to c5
the c5z wasn't THAT far ahead of the c5 coupe. didn't take a lot to push the c6 base to within a whisker of the c5z
c6z is a different car with a lot more going on than the coupe. if gm can somehow rival that braking and power to weight for 50 grand in the c7 it will be something else
Just copied and pasted. Also, I'm sorry but OP has a lot of shady/duplicate after duplicate threads he started. He seems to actually have a vette, but none the less. Therefor this info is FALSE