Corvette's Rival
02-07-2013, 09:03 PM
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New cars: Acura NSX, Caymen, Boxster "S" models, 911 4S, perhaps Jag F type supercharged.
This is really a trickier question than it may first appear since people look for so many different things in the toys they choose.
This is really a trickier question than it may first appear since people look for so many different things in the toys they choose.
02-07-2013, 09:11 PM
#42
Le Mans Master
You have no clue what you're talking about!!! Obviously you don't like the C7 but don't make ignorant comments.
In fact I see that most of your posts are negative in general towards everything. You seem to be suffering from depression or just a major Debbie Downer!!
In fact I see that most of your posts are negative in general towards everything. You seem to be suffering from depression or just a major Debbie Downer!!
02-07-2013, 09:21 PM
#44
Le Mans Master
02-07-2013, 09:47 PM
#45
Race Director
I love the fact Alfa Romeo is returning with its 70 grand 240hp 2000 lb 4C but really it does not compete..(I'm an old alfa fan from the 60's but still I could n't do it)
As far as the germans..? From a performance standpoint the 911S is close but it starts around 96 grand...so its more a boxster S competitor...I hear GM engineers believe that the boxster S is a wonderful driving machine if a bit less in the actual performance area than a corvette...even the boxster S can reach upwards of 90 grand loaded..ouch!
The japanese GTR is fast but that too is close to 100 grand..
The viper is awesome but also 98 grand...
Really the corvette outclasses its so called competition.. and at a better price..
The camaro zL1 is a competitor for the GT500 and out performs it on the track as well...
I enjoyed the conversation and the topic...as I often wonder what other sports cars I should consider before I buy my next sports car...
Thats why vettes are often considered old mens cars...Once you buy one..no matter how young you are...you tend to just keep buying the new corvette because no other sports car can really compete..(from a performance perspective and the perspective of sexy good looks...)
IMHO
02-07-2013, 10:00 PM
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Le Mans Master
02-07-2013, 10:07 PM
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02-07-2013, 10:14 PM
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Most people that buy new Corvettes could care less if it pulls .92g's or 1.03 g's or 1.13g's. They could care less if it has a top speed of 186 MPH, 198 MPH or 205 MPH. They could care less if it runs the 1/4 in 12.3 seconds or 11.7 seconds or 11.3 seconds. What they do care about is the feeling they get when they walk into their garage and look at their new Corvette and the rush they feel when they goose it on the on ramp, to merge on the Interstate. Very few owners of new Corvettes will ever track their cars.
For the most part, it's the teenage bench racers that pour over the magazine's reading about the g's, the top speeds, the 1/4 mile, etc. The actual buyers of a new Corvette will feel a certain pride of ownership and not feel that he is John Force or Jeff Gordon because he has a powerful sports car.
For the most part, it's the teenage bench racers that pour over the magazine's reading about the g's, the top speeds, the 1/4 mile, etc. The actual buyers of a new Corvette will feel a certain pride of ownership and not feel that he is John Force or Jeff Gordon because he has a powerful sports car.
02-07-2013, 10:18 PM
#51
Team Owner
GM designers have their head in the clouds, instead of designing a car as it's own, they consistantly try adding parts of other cars or out right copying designs to make the look. I guess it takes less time to copy something then make it it's own! Hell, they only had 7 years! Yes, no matter what they will always be someone that doesn't like it - OK.The smarter of the 3 on Top Gear, said it best "GM, always gets close, but falls short at the end. It wouldn't take that much more effort to make the Corvette a true supercar, but history and GM have shown it won't happen."
It's the little things that could but won't be improved, but GM's attitude seems to be "take it or leave it."
I've seen threads wondering if GM is listen to the people on the forum that buy their cars, I don't think so, to many egos and Union BS @ GM.
I like the basic concept of the C7, but not the finished product, that isn't even finished yet. I surely WOULD NOT BUY THE BASE MODEL!
The reality is that it takes a disproportionate amount of money to get incremental improvements. That is why the exotics cost so much more.
They can bellyache all they want about the Corvette being close but no cigar. But if everyone else is so damn smart then why doesn't any other manufacturer build a car that offers even remotely the amount of car for the money? The M3 is in my mind the closest competitor. Everyone simply has to decide for themselves what qualities are important though.
When I bought my Z06 I could have bought the M3 for the same money, but had a car that the Z06 would run off and leave in a straight line. Living where I do, straight line performance gets weighted differently than if I lived where there are a lot of tight, winding roads.
02-07-2013, 10:31 PM
#53
Safety Car
I love my Vette and will own a C7 - but we've owned Toyota, Audi, BMW, Lexus, Mercedes also. To summarily dismiss anything foreign is a bit of a narrow perspective and you are overlooking many wonderful vehicles. As an example - and not a car - consider a midsize pickup. I have no need for a full size. So what do you have domestically? Ford Ranger - dead. Chevy Colorado? Really? Dodge Dakota - had one - terrible build quality. What do I have - Toyota Tacoma. Great truck, super reliability, and incredible resale value. My preference is to keep an open mind. The bottom line is if you are considering price the C7 has NO peers. It's a great value.
02-07-2013, 10:35 PM
#54
Mid-level German Sports cars: 911S, M5, Audi R8
Entry level Italian Sports: Entry lambo, Entry Ferrari, Maserati
Mid level Japanese Sports ....
Entry level Italian Sports: Entry lambo, Entry Ferrari, Maserati
Mid level Japanese Sports ....
02-07-2013, 10:38 PM
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02-07-2013, 10:42 PM
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02-07-2013, 10:52 PM
#58
I love my Vette and will own a C7 - but we've owned Toyota, Audi, BMW, Lexus, Mercedes also. To summarily dismiss anything foreign is a bit of a narrow perspective and you are overlooking many wonderful vehicles. As an example - and not a car - consider a midsize pickup. I have no need for a full size. So what do you have domestically? Ford Ranger - dead. Chevy Colorado? Really? Dodge Dakota - had one - terrible build quality. What do I have - Toyota Tacoma. Great truck, super reliability, and incredible resale value. My preference is to keep an open mind. The bottom line is if you are considering price the C7 has NO peers. It's a great value.
It's funny you bring up a midsize pickup because that's what I'm in the market for and I agree with you. I have been wrestling with my options
I had read awhile back that GM was coming out with a new one soon, I believe it may already be out in Europe. I admit, I have eyed the Tacoma, it's on the radar if an American option doesn't come along soon....
02-07-2013, 11:07 PM
#59
Le Mans Master
Spoken like someone who hasn't driven one yet.
The reality is that it takes a disproportionate amount of money to get incremental improvements. That is why the exotics cost so much more.
They can bellyache all they want about the Corvette being close but no cigar. But if everyone else is so damn smart then why doesn't any other manufacturer build a car that offers even remotely the amount of car for the money? The M3 is in my mind the closest competitor. Everyone simply has to decide for themselves what qualities are important though.
When I bought my Z06 I could have bought the M3 for the same money, but had a car that the Z06 would run off and leave in a straight line. Living where I do, straight line performance gets weighted differently than if I lived where there are a lot of tight, winding roads.
The reality is that it takes a disproportionate amount of money to get incremental improvements. That is why the exotics cost so much more.
They can bellyache all they want about the Corvette being close but no cigar. But if everyone else is so damn smart then why doesn't any other manufacturer build a car that offers even remotely the amount of car for the money? The M3 is in my mind the closest competitor. Everyone simply has to decide for themselves what qualities are important though.
When I bought my Z06 I could have bought the M3 for the same money, but had a car that the Z06 would run off and leave in a straight line. Living where I do, straight line performance gets weighted differently than if I lived where there are a lot of tight, winding roads.
02-07-2013, 11:33 PM
#60
With all due respect, I don't know why people insist that no other car maker makes a car that can compete with a Vette for the price. Please take a recent copy of Road & Track and turn to their "road test summary" page. Now please compare the Vette GS listed to the Mustang Boss 302 Leguna Seca. Notice how the Ford equals the Vette in straight-line acceleration and BEATS it in braking and cornering, including the slalom. Then please notice the as-tested price: Vette GS-$72,130. Boss 302-$47,990. So yes, other car makers DO make cars with more bang-for-the-buck than the Vette. Thank you.
Conversely you know that the same GS can be had for 55ish and surpasses the 302 in other important performance attributes.
IMHO they are two different types of car and if we start doing the apples to oranges thing then I bring a 12K bike, smoke both and call it the best BFB...