Corvette Vs Camaro Z28
05-01-2013, 11:00 AM
#21
That would be relevant if the Z/28 was made for straight line work.
As it sits, I think the Z/28 will outperform the Z51 in track tests. The Trofeo tires are half slicks like the Sport Cups, the ceramic brakes, short gearing, the extremely trick shocks, and heavy aero work will all push it over the edge.
You guys are making a big deal out of the weight but as we've seen with the GT-R and ZL1, engineers know how to make pigs fly these days. The car will be below 2:50 at VIR when driven by GM's drivers.
The C7 will be close and its not going to bash your brains in on the way home.
As it sits, I think the Z/28 will outperform the Z51 in track tests. The Trofeo tires are half slicks like the Sport Cups, the ceramic brakes, short gearing, the extremely trick shocks, and heavy aero work will all push it over the edge.
You guys are making a big deal out of the weight but as we've seen with the GT-R and ZL1, engineers know how to make pigs fly these days. The car will be below 2:50 at VIR when driven by GM's drivers.
The C7 will be close and its not going to bash your brains in on the way home.
I don't think the C7 is going to be protected from the Z28, but i honestly think it's going to be a win for the Z51. Will be a close race!
05-01-2013, 11:01 AM
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That would be relevant if the Z/28 was made for straight line work.
As it sits, I think the Z/28 will outperform the Z51 in track tests. The Trofeo tires are half slicks like the Sport Cups, the ceramic brakes, short gearing, the extremely trick shocks, and heavy aero work will all push it over the edge.
You guys are making a big deal out of the weight but as we've seen with the GT-R and ZL1, engineers know how to make pigs fly these days. The car will be below 2:50 at VIR when driven by GM's drivers.
The C7 will be close and its not going to bash your brains in on the way home.
As it sits, I think the Z/28 will outperform the Z51 in track tests. The Trofeo tires are half slicks like the Sport Cups, the ceramic brakes, short gearing, the extremely trick shocks, and heavy aero work will all push it over the edge.
You guys are making a big deal out of the weight but as we've seen with the GT-R and ZL1, engineers know how to make pigs fly these days. The car will be below 2:50 at VIR when driven by GM's drivers.
The C7 will be close and its not going to bash your brains in on the way home.
05-01-2013, 11:04 AM
#23
Burning Brakes
That would be relevant if the Z/28 was made for straight line work.
As it sits, I think the Z/28 will outperform the Z51 in track tests. The Trofeo tires are half slicks like the Sport Cups, the ceramic brakes, short gearing, the extremely trick shocks, and heavy aero work will all push it over the edge.
You guys are making a big deal out of the weight but as we've seen with the GT-R and ZL1, engineers know how to make pigs fly these days. The car will be below 2:50 at VIR when driven by GM's drivers.
The C7 will be close and its not going to bash your brains in on the way home.
As it sits, I think the Z/28 will outperform the Z51 in track tests. The Trofeo tires are half slicks like the Sport Cups, the ceramic brakes, short gearing, the extremely trick shocks, and heavy aero work will all push it over the edge.
You guys are making a big deal out of the weight but as we've seen with the GT-R and ZL1, engineers know how to make pigs fly these days. The car will be below 2:50 at VIR when driven by GM's drivers.
The C7 will be close and its not going to bash your brains in on the way home.
I think the testing should be fun to watch and very interesting.
05-01-2013, 11:19 AM
#24
That would be relevant if the Z/28 was made for straight line work.
As it sits, I think the Z/28 will outperform the Z51 in track tests. The Trofeo tires are half slicks like the Sport Cups, the ceramic brakes, short gearing, the extremely trick shocks, and heavy aero work will all push it over the edge.
You guys are making a big deal out of the weight but as we've seen with the GT-R and ZL1, engineers know how to make pigs fly these days. The car will be below 2:50 at VIR when driven by GM's drivers.
The C7 will be close and its not going to bash your brains in on the way home.
As it sits, I think the Z/28 will outperform the Z51 in track tests. The Trofeo tires are half slicks like the Sport Cups, the ceramic brakes, short gearing, the extremely trick shocks, and heavy aero work will all push it over the edge.
You guys are making a big deal out of the weight but as we've seen with the GT-R and ZL1, engineers know how to make pigs fly these days. The car will be below 2:50 at VIR when driven by GM's drivers.
The C7 will be close and its not going to bash your brains in on the way home.
The Z28 is going to be bad fast for a car of it's size but El Fatso still isn't going to trump the vette.
05-01-2013, 11:19 AM
#25
Le Mans Master
The chances of one getting their "butt kicked" on the street, or even a road course for that matter by a Z28 is pretty small. Performance aside, if for no other reason, there will only be 500 of them in the world. I imagine that it is a one year only car as they had to do something with all of those extra LS7's. If you want a future collector car and get the chance to obtain one, the Z28 might be a good investment. Just take delivery, drive it home, vacuum seal it, and sell it a Barrett Jackson in twenty years.
That said, it appears that the Stingray has enough goodies that it can overcome giving up 50 +/- ponies to a Camaro, Mustang or what not. IMO
That said, it appears that the Stingray has enough goodies that it can overcome giving up 50 +/- ponies to a Camaro, Mustang or what not. IMO
05-01-2013, 11:28 AM
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All I can say is that a lot of people are going to be very surprised at the Z/28's track times. Doing simple horsepower to weight ratios to compare vehicles won't fly. The extremely overweight ZL1 turned a very impressive 2:52:38 at VIR. The Z/28 is said to be 3 seconds faster around GM's track than the ZL1. Do the math, it's likely that the Z/28 will do under 2:50 at VIR. That's gonna be a tough time for the C7 to beat. Not impossible, but not likely IMO.
05-01-2013, 11:36 AM
#27
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The chances of one getting their "butt kicked" on the street, or even a road course for that matter by a Z28 is pretty small. Performance aside, if for no other reason, there will only be 500 of them in the world. I imagine that it is a one year only car as they had to do something with all of those extra LS7's. If you want a future collector car and get the chance to obtain one, the Z28 might be a good investment. Just take delivery, drive it home, vacuum seal it, and sell it a Barrett Jackson in twenty years.
That said, it appears that the Stingray has enough goodies that it can overcome giving up 50 +/- ponies to a Camaro, Mustang or what not. IMO
That said, it appears that the Stingray has enough goodies that it can overcome giving up 50 +/- ponies to a Camaro, Mustang or what not. IMO
05-01-2013, 11:45 AM
#28
Yeah but this is the same company designing the C7 that did El Fatso. And at the end of the day, the Camaro is still El Fatso with only at best fifty ponies over the C7. It also lacks the Gen 3 mag shocks, doesn't have the E diff, it's also despite all of their efforts 600 lbs heavier.
The Z28 is going to be bad fast for a car of it's size but El Fatso still isn't going to trump the vette.
The Z28 is going to be bad fast for a car of it's size but El Fatso still isn't going to trump the vette.
The DSSV shocks(look them up, they are $$$$$$$) have no compromise for the street like the mag shocks(the ZL1 has the Gen 3 shocks as well and they're gone) and the brakes,tires and aero are more aggressive than the C7's.
Despite the weight, I think Z/28 will make up the difference.
05-01-2013, 11:49 AM
#29
Pro
That would be relevant if the Z/28 was made for straight line work.
As it sits, I think the Z/28 will outperform the Z51 in track tests. The Trofeo tires are half slicks like the Sport Cups, the ceramic brakes, short gearing, the extremely trick shocks, and heavy aero work will all push it over the edge.
You guys are making a big deal out of the weight but as we've seen with the GT-R and ZL1, engineers know how to make pigs fly these days. The car will be below 2:50 at VIR when driven by GM's drivers.
The C7 will be close and its not going to bash your brains in on the way home.
As it sits, I think the Z/28 will outperform the Z51 in track tests. The Trofeo tires are half slicks like the Sport Cups, the ceramic brakes, short gearing, the extremely trick shocks, and heavy aero work will all push it over the edge.
You guys are making a big deal out of the weight but as we've seen with the GT-R and ZL1, engineers know how to make pigs fly these days. The car will be below 2:50 at VIR when driven by GM's drivers.
The C7 will be close and its not going to bash your brains in on the way home.
"stripper" - typically means a base model. the Z/28 is not a stripper, it has high end brakes , suspension, tires, LS7, hence the price tag. I do agree on the weight concerns but I think it will still be bad *** and prob beat the Z51 around a track by a c-hair but this is all bench racing..
05-01-2013, 11:58 AM
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In 2013, HP isn't everything. 20 years ago you could be faster just by upping HP in a car.
Now a day, it is everything in the car that contributes to producing a fast vehicle, in 1/4mile and on the track.
Now a day, it is everything in the car that contributes to producing a fast vehicle, in 1/4mile and on the track.
05-01-2013, 07:46 PM
#31
Le Mans Master
All I can say is that a lot of people are going to be very surprised at the Z/28's track times. Doing simple horsepower to weight ratios to compare vehicles won't fly. The extremely overweight ZL1 turned a very impressive 2:52:38 at VIR. The Z/28 is said to be 3 seconds faster around GM's track than the ZL1. Do the math, it's likely that the Z/28 will do under 2:50 at VIR. That's gonna be a tough time for the C7 to beat. Not impossible, but not likely IMO.
05-01-2013, 07:47 PM
#32
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05-01-2013, 08:08 PM
#33
Team Owner
The Z28 is the track car that a lot of Corvette owners have hoped they would offer in a Corvette. The Z28 is not going to be a great street car, and they have said it will be the most expensive Camaro built - more than the ZL1 due to the carbon ceramic brakes.
I doubt if many people will buy one unless they are track junkies. For them, it may well be better than a Corvette.
I doubt if many people will buy one unless they are track junkies. For them, it may well be better than a Corvette.
05-01-2013, 08:16 PM
#34
Drifting
My 2012 Camaro SS weighed 3820 bone stock with everything in it. I believe removal of many of the optional and standard equipment in the Z28 may bring it down to 36XX.
If you look at what the 1LE did at VIR with a standard LS3 at 426 HP, and only upgraded suspension over the SS (no magnetic shocks here either), I think you have to give credit to the Z28 with lesser weight, much improved suspension, super sticky tires and 75 more HP.
I feel confident that the Z28 will beat the Camaro ZL1 around Nurburgring and the ZL1 beat most if not all Corvettes without Cup tires. So, I think the Z28 will fare well against the C7 and it might take the C7 Z to beat it outright.
Since pricing hasn't been released yet, no one knows, but I would be hugely surprised if the Z28 was more pricey than the ZL1 at $54K.
One more point, the Camaro sells as many cars in two months as Corvettes all year. Chevy needs to keep Camaro in the limelight to maintain it's upper hand in the market. Let's face it HP and performance sells Corvettes and Muscle cars.
If you look at what the 1LE did at VIR with a standard LS3 at 426 HP, and only upgraded suspension over the SS (no magnetic shocks here either), I think you have to give credit to the Z28 with lesser weight, much improved suspension, super sticky tires and 75 more HP.
I feel confident that the Z28 will beat the Camaro ZL1 around Nurburgring and the ZL1 beat most if not all Corvettes without Cup tires. So, I think the Z28 will fare well against the C7 and it might take the C7 Z to beat it outright.
Since pricing hasn't been released yet, no one knows, but I would be hugely surprised if the Z28 was more pricey than the ZL1 at $54K.
One more point, the Camaro sells as many cars in two months as Corvettes all year. Chevy needs to keep Camaro in the limelight to maintain it's upper hand in the market. Let's face it HP and performance sells Corvettes and Muscle cars.
05-01-2013, 08:45 PM
#35
Safety Car
They could have sold a lot more Z/28's if they would have let buyers order the car the way they wanted it instead of a stripped down version. The Z/28 could have been a Home Run like the ZR1 but it looks like some of the older camaro people at GM want to sell the car like they sold it 40+ years ago. This is not the 1969 market place.
The C7 looks like its going to be a Home Run, but they missed another Home Run by blocking many Camaro buyers from being able to get the Z/28 they want. Maybe all they really wanted to do is build a Z/28 "collectible car" they could show off at Barrett-Jackson.
05-01-2013, 09:06 PM
#36
This comment is totally inaccurate. The Corvette IS the Halo car of GM and always will be.
Fact 1. Base Camaro is no match to a base Vette C5, C6 or C7. Vette's will win all the time!!
fact 2. While the Z28 is a muscle car and only 500 will be made, so what, it won't top the high end car that will probably be a Z06/ZR1 whatever they decide to call it next model year. GM isn't stupid by releasing both a high output and a base car all in the same year. They didn't do that for the Camaro why do it for the Vette, that would be bad marketing.
Fact 3. Your comparing apples to oranges. The Camaro is a muscle car and the Vette is a sports car. Two entirely different categories.
Further, the OP asked for an honest opinion. Don't feed fairy tales to someone who is asking an opinion on buying a C7.
Fact 1. Base Camaro is no match to a base Vette C5, C6 or C7. Vette's will win all the time!!
fact 2. While the Z28 is a muscle car and only 500 will be made, so what, it won't top the high end car that will probably be a Z06/ZR1 whatever they decide to call it next model year. GM isn't stupid by releasing both a high output and a base car all in the same year. They didn't do that for the Camaro why do it for the Vette, that would be bad marketing.
Fact 3. Your comparing apples to oranges. The Camaro is a muscle car and the Vette is a sports car. Two entirely different categories.
Further, the OP asked for an honest opinion. Don't feed fairy tales to someone who is asking an opinion on buying a C7.
05-01-2013, 09:09 PM
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Le Mans Master
05-01-2013, 09:11 PM
#38
Le Mans Master
I also think there will be a 2015 Gen 5 Camaro Z-28 from what I have read.
05-01-2013, 09:39 PM
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05-01-2013, 09:48 PM
#40
Le Mans Master
I think the 500 was mentioned when they revealed it...New York auto show?? By GM.