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Tux, I suspect RC will jump in to defend himself but I interpreted his post to mean a current version of the C2 would be at a huge aero disadvantage today and would lose races because of it. I don't think he was referring to the historical results of races.
As far as looks and the C2 I think the C7 is far and away the best looking version to date. The next best is C6 followed closely by the C5. Old cars just look old to me and I have no desire to chase a design from my youth.
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Was that necessary? What a low life you truly are!
Talking out of both sides of your mouth again I see!
As shown here! You guys really have issues, get some help! Or is this the way you get your jollies? You both have some serious social disorders that should be addressed, probably have no friends and your co-workers can't stand either of you!
Talking out of both sides of your mouth again I see!
As shown here! You guys really have issues, get some help! Or is this the way you get your jollies? You both have some serious social disorders that should be addressed, probably have no friends and your co-workers can't stand either of you!
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Yes you showed me then you very coyly got in your dig, and for no provoked reason whatsoever! Why do you always feel the need to start controversy, the reason for the thread was to inquire about retro.
Point being a modern car with a C2 modified appearance would knock it out of the park. Now go ahead and tell the world what the mighty OX thinks of Big Dan.
Point being a modern car with a C2 modified appearance would knock it out of the park. Now go ahead and tell the world what the mighty OX thinks of Big Dan.
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I agree no retro but, for those who want the C1 or C2 with all the modern conveniences and techno upgrades there ARE aftermarket suppliers out there with their palms up just waiting for you. They will even supply the C5 or C6 to make the transition. Nothing stands in your way except cubic dollars.
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Considering what it originally was, yeah they bastardized it quite well with the C4 and C6. C2 is a great design..... but I like my modern Vettes C4-C7 much more. They've got the go fast to match the looks.
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As much as I would love to see a modern C2, or C3, one of the greater feats of Corvette is that it is always bringing new stuff to the table. I don't think a retro Corvette from Bowling Green would continue the tradition of the Corvette brand. I now have a 2012 Mustang GT and think that for the pony/muscle cars it works well since the classic designs always looked better than the new ones imo and brings back a since of nastalgia to not only the car itself but it's presence on the road. I instantly feel like a travelled back in time to the 60 and 70s when I get in my 2012 car and I was born in the 80s lol. But for cars like Corvette, Ferrari, etc, it just wouldn't be "on point."
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Without anyone getting their panties all bunched up let me cordially ask, why is it okay to bring back the name "Stingray" which is totally 60's retro yet a modern day C2 body on what in essence is everything else C7 not feasible? I mean really, I hear Stingray and I think 60's just like I would if someone told me the new Camaro had a 396 in it. And for those who think the retro doesn't work, well as Tux said Camaro/Mustang/Beetle/
Ford GT/Challenger/Charger...you get the point. Every one of those cars are massively successful, the Camaro in part helped GM out of its doldrums. A modern version C2 appearance would sell better than the C7 IMO.
Ford GT/Challenger/Charger...you get the point. Every one of those cars are massively successful, the Camaro in part helped GM out of its doldrums. A modern version C2 appearance would sell better than the C7 IMO.
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Without anyone getting their panties all bunched up let me cordially ask, why is it okay to bring back the name "Stingray" which is totally 60's retro yet a modern day C2 body on what in essence is everything else C7 not feasible? I mean really, I hear Stingray and I think 60's just like I would if someone told me the new Camaro had a 396 in it. And for those who think the retro doesn't work, well as Tux said Camaro/Mustang/Beetle/
Ford GT/Challenger/Charger...you get the point. Every one of those cars are massively successful, the Camaro in part helped GM out of its doldrums. A modern version C2 appearance would sell better than the C7 IMO.
Ford GT/Challenger/Charger...you get the point. Every one of those cars are massively successful, the Camaro in part helped GM out of its doldrums. A modern version C2 appearance would sell better than the C7 IMO.
If you want to take market share from European brands you don't do that with retro designs IMO. I think you need to separate the >50 year old Corvette fan who understands and loves the Stingray legacy from the rest of the market. Porsche guys, as an example, could care less about an old, retro design IMO so I think it depends on who you want to attract to the car.
Just look at the responses in this thread... most seem to not want the retro style. At the end of the day, who knows but you have to believe GM had more info and better analysis than us in determining whether to go retro or progressive and modern.
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How then would you evolve the retro car? Where do you go from there? A C3 redo?
Unfortunately the car would go great guns then sales would crash. As an example the PT cruiser. The Chevrolet HHR.
The C7 of today is a 21st century car. It will evolve from this point to the C8 as it should. Nostalgia only works for those who lived it or who live in the past. IMHO.
Unfortunately the car would go great guns then sales would crash. As an example the PT cruiser. The Chevrolet HHR.
The C7 of today is a 21st century car. It will evolve from this point to the C8 as it should. Nostalgia only works for those who lived it or who live in the past. IMHO.
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Thanks for your input and question Bill. You make a great point, where to go moving forward. I guess we'll see the path of the others I mentioned, they have not crashed. The PT and HHR were not historical like the Vette and the others although the PT did have a nice run. If you mean the C7 is 21st century in design I agree 100%, but let me ask you this. If Ford built a GT40/Ford GT for under 100k and built volume would you buy one? I know I would, I had one at MSRP of 166K. They easily got away with that price b/c they knew they were only building 4000 units, if they knew going in that they could sell them for under 100k and planned to build 1500-2000 a year it would have been a massive profit generator and huge success. and it truly is modern yet an imitation of the 60's Lemans dominator. Just some interesting thoughts, no right or wrong.
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Dan, I think from a design standpoint the C2 wouldn't be as aerodynamic as a C7. Lot's of original Corvette "names" have been reused: LS7, Grand Sport, ZR1, ZO6 etc and I personally think it is cool to keep those names familiar. I do think it would be really cool to see a modern C2, C3 would be even better IMO. I think, for my previous reason also, that for the Corvette to be a world competitor it can't be retro in styling. Sure it carries certain Corvette features, the front fender arches, rwd, front engine V8, etc but to make the car look identical to a previous generation would not be a successful car to most buyers. Plus many new buyers won't be so familiar with previous generations and want something contemporary in design. I'm just guessing but if I were cross shopping between a new MB, BMW, Audi and Corvette, seeing a Corvette that is designed based off of a previous generation would immediately turn me off if I wanted something contemporary.
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How then would you evolve the retro car? Where do you go from there? A C3 redo?
Unfortunately the car would go great guns then sales would crash. As an example the PT cruiser. The Chevrolet HHR.
The C7 of today is a 21st century car. It will evolve from this point to the C8 as it should. Nostalgia only works for those who lived it or who live in the past. IMHO.
Unfortunately the car would go great guns then sales would crash. As an example the PT cruiser. The Chevrolet HHR.
The C7 of today is a 21st century car. It will evolve from this point to the C8 as it should. Nostalgia only works for those who lived it or who live in the past. IMHO.
Lets enjoy the C7 for what it is and not complain about tailights. Fixation in the past is not healthy. Things will not ever be as they were in 1963 again, that goes for cars, politics, and just about anything else.
The vast majority of us enjoy or have enjoyed our c5s an c6s. The c7 will be an upgraded model for sure. It would just make good sense to accept this fact.
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Alex I'm sure you are quite correct regarding the aero, but I would also have confidence that the engineers would be able to resolve that with what I feel would be a modernization of the body and all the other implementations that allow for better aero in todays world. Your statement regarding contemporary also holds a lot of water, as we all know GM is going for a different buyer and it is quite possible that buyer would not be one that is attracted by retro styling. On the other hand the current dynamic is what got Corvette to where it is and certainly wouldn't be a slouch in carrying the product forward. Thanks for the comments, good to be able to converse w/out any tension.
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Thanks for your input and question Bill. You make a great point, where to go moving forward. I guess we'll see the path of the others I mentioned, they have not crashed. The PT and HHR were not historical like the Vette and the others although the PT did have a nice run. If you mean the C7 is 21st century in design I agree 100%, but let me ask you this. If Ford built a GT40/Ford GT for under 100k and built volume would you buy one? I know I would, I had one at MSRP of 166K. They easily got away with that price b/c they knew they were only building 4000 units, if they knew going in that they could sell them for under 100k and planned to build 1500-2000 a year it would have been a massive profit generator and huge success. and it truly is modern yet an imitation of the 60's Lemans dominator. Just some interesting thoughts, no right or wrong.
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@ drmustang, you and me both! I guess they didn't want to ruin the aura that surrounds the car!
@ gthal, your points are well stated, especially the Porsche reference. As for this thread, well a few dozen people (most of who would go against me if I said the sky is blue) certainly can not reflect on the worlds opinion, but I hear what you're saying! Thx
@ gthal, your points are well stated, especially the Porsche reference. As for this thread, well a few dozen people (most of who would go against me if I said the sky is blue) certainly can not reflect on the worlds opinion, but I hear what you're saying! Thx
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"Alex I'm sure you are quite correct regarding the aero, but I would also have confidence that the engineers would be able to resolve that with what I feel would be a modernization of the body and all the other implementations that allow for better aero in todays world. Your statement regarding contemporary also holds a lot of water, as we all know GM is going for a different buyer and it is quite possible that buyer would not be one that is attracted by retro styling. On the other hand the current dynamic is what got Corvette to where it is and certainly wouldn't be a slouch in carrying the product forward. Thanks for the comments, good to be able to converse w/out any tension."
I agree Dan, and count me in line for the Ford GT under $100k
-Alex
I agree Dan, and count me in line for the Ford GT under $100k
-Alex