First year production bugs
Melting Slicks
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From: Thomas Texas
Hmmmm........
Another thread regarding this subject got closed today b/c too many members can't deal with the fact that the C7 and every other car ever built will have some problems in its first year of production.
Tot the OP's post, I for one would stay away but I'm not buying one until they straighten out the mess!!
Another thread regarding this subject got closed today b/c too many members can't deal with the fact that the C7 and every other car ever built will have some problems in its first year of production.
Tot the OP's post, I for one would stay away but I'm not buying one until they straighten out the mess!!
The only mess I see is you posting your negative opinion as if its fact every chance you get.
Nobody including you know if there will be any significant problems. A million test miles has to mean something even to you.
Quality today is a 100 times better than it was 10 years ago.
GM, Ford, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda, and others launch new cars every year. Are there recalls? Unavoidable in some cases. But what would happen if everyone avoids buying 1st year cars? There would be no news models.
Racer
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I expect there to be issues, but I also expect GM to take care of them.
Burning Brakes
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From: Venice Florida
I'm not waiting.... nor am I worried about too may first year 'bugs'.
If the 2015 is that much improved over the '14.... then they have a thing at the 'stealerships' called...... "TRADE-IN"!
"Enjoy life in the moment"
If the 2015 is that much improved over the '14.... then they have a thing at the 'stealerships' called...... "TRADE-IN"!
"Enjoy life in the moment"
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The only mess I see is you posting your negative opinion as if its fact every chance you get.
Nobody including you know if there will be any significant problems. A million test miles has to mean something even to you.
Quality today is a 100 times better than it was 10 years ago.
GM, Ford, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda, and others launch new cars every year. Are there recalls? Unavoidable in some cases. But what would happen if everyone avoids buying 1st year cars? There would be no news models.
Nobody including you know if there will be any significant problems. A million test miles has to mean something even to you.
Quality today is a 100 times better than it was 10 years ago.
GM, Ford, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda, and others launch new cars every year. Are there recalls? Unavoidable in some cases. But what would happen if everyone avoids buying 1st year cars? There would be no news models.
The 97 although a first year car was probably the highest perceived quality C5 model. Production line was run at a slow pace, they did a lot of things to detail the car they stopped doing in later years. Things like cleaning the adhesive from the floor joints where it oozed out and hung from the bottom of the car. My 97 was picture perfect underneath while my 03Z had all sorts of dingle berries hanging from the floor supports. Didn't really affect build quality since the floor wasn't compromised and still performed as it should but the 97 just looked better in that area. I don't blame GM because they could reduce cost without affecting quality and that is what we want them to do.
Bill
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From: Texas
Hmmmm........
Another thread regarding this subject got closed today b/c too many members can't deal with the fact that the C7 and every other car ever built will have some problems in its first year of production.
Tot the OP's post, I for one would stay away but I'm not buying one until they straighten out the mess!!
Another thread regarding this subject got closed today b/c too many members can't deal with the fact that the C7 and every other car ever built will have some problems in its first year of production.
Tot the OP's post, I for one would stay away but I'm not buying one until they straighten out the mess!!
Burning Brakes
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From: St. Louis MO
The first of the 2014's will be gone over with a finetooth comb. Probably better quality than later 2014's or any of the 2015's. In addition, because 2014 will be short model year, I predict NO CHANGES for 2015 except cosmetics (maybe) - kind of like 2005 and 2006 GTO's. One potential change, depending on sales, MSRP may creep up.
Third, the A6 is here to stay, but it is NOT the A6 that is in the C6 - it has already been updated - see the reviews. The A6 will only be replaced when a reliable, affordable DCT is built or sourced - probably 2016 or later. The ZF 8-speed (Jag F-type) was already tried and it blew up (twice).
Third, the A6 is here to stay, but it is NOT the A6 that is in the C6 - it has already been updated - see the reviews. The A6 will only be replaced when a reliable, affordable DCT is built or sourced - probably 2016 or later. The ZF 8-speed (Jag F-type) was already tried and it blew up (twice).
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The first of the 2014's will be gone over with a finetooth comb. Probably better quality than later 2014's or any of the 2015's. In addition, because 2014 will be short model year, I predict NO CHANGES for 2015 except cosmetics (maybe) - kind of like 2005 and 2006 GTO's. One potential change, depending on sales, MSRP may creep up.
Third, the A6 is here to stay, but it is NOT the A6 that is in the C6 - it has already been updated - see the reviews. The A6 will only be replaced when a reliable, affordable DCT is built or sourced - probably 2016 or later. The ZF 8-speed (Jag F-type) was already tried and it blew up (twice).
Third, the A6 is here to stay, but it is NOT the A6 that is in the C6 - it has already been updated - see the reviews. The A6 will only be replaced when a reliable, affordable DCT is built or sourced - probably 2016 or later. The ZF 8-speed (Jag F-type) was already tried and it blew up (twice).
Burning Brakes
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From: 34°0′34″N 95°30′53″W Indian Territory
Not GM but...my Ford F150 Supercrew 4x4 is an '04. That was the 1st year for a complete redesign. It never even crossed my mind about it being the first year. It will be 10 years old in a couple weeks and has about 100,800 miles on it. Other than one set of tires, a brake job and maybe two batteries the only true repairs I've had was 1) a gasket around the cargo light at the top of the outside cab was replaced (leaking a little) and 2) the tilt wheel lever came off where it attached and wouldn't stay on again - replaced. That's it. The lever was a friend's fault 'cause SHE couldn't understand what I meant by "push it down" - she pushed it OFF... They fixed it under warranty while doing the gasket. It still smells new inside.
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St. Jude Donor '13
When discussing the First Year Quality issues, we should separate them into 4 categories:
Assembly problems that can be detected and fixed, if the plant takes time to do so. They seem to be on top of that one.
Unforseen problems that develop in the field, as thousands of variably-skilled drivers start using and abusing the car. GM usually does ok in anticipating these, but not always (sun visor mirrors, glove box latch, leaking pan gaskets). OTOH, GM often fails to fix these problems throughout the production life of the car, so waiting a year or two might not make any difference.
Unexpected problems caused by poor design or cheapsh!t manufacturing. Sometimes these get fixed in later years, sometimes not (quickly-cracking transparent tops, harmonic balancer).
Design items that are "not quite right" for various reasons (doughboy steering wheel, floppy seats). Again, some of these get changed right away, others get changed later, some never get changed at all.
Me, I'm going to wait.
Assembly problems that can be detected and fixed, if the plant takes time to do so. They seem to be on top of that one.
Unforseen problems that develop in the field, as thousands of variably-skilled drivers start using and abusing the car. GM usually does ok in anticipating these, but not always (sun visor mirrors, glove box latch, leaking pan gaskets). OTOH, GM often fails to fix these problems throughout the production life of the car, so waiting a year or two might not make any difference.
Unexpected problems caused by poor design or cheapsh!t manufacturing. Sometimes these get fixed in later years, sometimes not (quickly-cracking transparent tops, harmonic balancer).
Design items that are "not quite right" for various reasons (doughboy steering wheel, floppy seats). Again, some of these get changed right away, others get changed later, some never get changed at all.
Me, I'm going to wait.
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Indeed. The OP said: My "super reliable" 2003 Honda Pilot had it's share of first year teething problems....
Huh?
I don't much care, I have been Corvette-less for almost 3 years, when my convertible gets here Jan/Feb, I will enjoy it fully. If it has an issue, I will take it to get fixed. Seems simple to me. If I wanted an appliance, I'd buy a Kenmore. For the guys that are SCARED of some "teething issue" on the car, all I can say is: You can tell the guys that never owned a REAL sports cars back in the day (Britain's finest, vintage 1960's). Own a couple of Triumphs or Austin Healeys and you will NEVER whine about ANYTHING a modern car throws at you.
Or you might (whine) just because some of you should be driving Camry's anyway.
Jimmy
Huh?
I don't much care, I have been Corvette-less for almost 3 years, when my convertible gets here Jan/Feb, I will enjoy it fully. If it has an issue, I will take it to get fixed. Seems simple to me. If I wanted an appliance, I'd buy a Kenmore. For the guys that are SCARED of some "teething issue" on the car, all I can say is: You can tell the guys that never owned a REAL sports cars back in the day (Britain's finest, vintage 1960's). Own a couple of Triumphs or Austin Healeys and you will NEVER whine about ANYTHING a modern car throws at you.
Or you might (whine) just because some of you should be driving Camry's anyway.
Jimmy
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This has been mentioned in several threads but I will chime in. My concern is all the new electronic and technologies that has been introduced into this car. It is a major leap compared to what you saw with the C5 to C6. There probably will be bugs but we just don't know how small or big they are going to be but I don't think it will ruin the ownership experience. If you want to be first on the block you have to expect to deal with this and pay msrp. If you wait til July 2014 for the second year model you will get one that sorted our some of it's issues with a better discount but you have to wait.
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This has been mentioned in several threads but I will chime in. My concern is all the new electronic and technologies that has been introduced into this car. It is a major leap compared to what you saw with the C5 to C6. There probably will be bugs but we just don't know how small or big they are going to be but I don't think it will ruin the ownership experience. If you want to be first on the block you have to expect to deal with this and pay msrp. If you wait til July 2014 for the second year model you will get one that sorted our some of it's issues with a better discount but you have to wait.
Le Mans Master
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This has been mentioned in several threads but I will chime in. My concern is all the new electronic and technologies that has been introduced into this car. It is a major leap compared to what you saw with the C5 to C6. There probably will be bugs but we just don't know how small or big they are going to be but I don't think it will ruin the ownership experience. If you want to be first on the block you have to expect to deal with this and pay msrp. If you wait til July 2014 for the second year model you will get one that sorted our some of it's issues with a better discount but you have to wait.
Racer
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That is also very true. It has been fine tuned for 7-8 years and you are getting the final and best iteration of the c6 at a heavy discount which will pay for the first 1-2 years of depreciation. It will just be dated and not be the hottest toy on the block.
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First year production quality
Getting a 2014 can be better or it can be worse, only the owner will know. I bought my 2010 RX450h as one of the very 1st models from the 1st month of production (May 2009). It was hot shipped from the port to my dealer here in Atlanta and was actually the 1st one in Atlanta by a couple of weeks. I knew Lexus would not want cars with problems plaguing the auto news stories. Long story short, it's had no major warranty issues at all. At about 9 months a stress crack appeared in the W/S and they replaced it with OEM and no issues. Nothing but oil changes and tires and filters since then. So as much as they're working to make the C7 right, I think they will. Problems are usually not from assembly but parts from vendors. Not much can be done about that but have an alternate vendor.
Last edited by Cruiter; Aug 26, 2013 at 07:48 PM.
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I agree; probably not big changes but some changes and more options and less dealer gouging.