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Old Nov 14, 2013 | 09:39 PM
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As Rick said, at 3000 the parts have been allocated and your order has been accepted. Does that mean BG has all of the parts to build your order? NO

The parts can be delivered late, or rejected when received. At 3300 the production is scheduled and the parts should be on hand at the plant, however if they need the parts on an earlier queued build and have to "borow" from the future build inventory, your order can slide back to 3000. I think at 3400 your build is headed down the line and good-to-go if not held for QC.

My Z51, AE4, C2Z, FAY order was accepted and at 3000 on 10/29. It sat there until today when it went to 3300. My TPW is 12/2 with an estimated completion date of 12/5.

Now I just have to decide if I realy want to go to BG the week before Christmas.
This is the most helpful information I've seen in a while, thank you. I'm going to add this information to another thread, hope you don't mind. I think we'll be getting our cars around the same time. I also have a Z51 FAY, but with a body colored roof. I haven't been given a TPW yet, I will inquire again on Monday.

Here is my timeline:

2/14/13 Placed Deposit
10/12/13 2000 (Order placed)
10/23/13 3000
10/29/13 3100
11/04/13 3300

The only item constrained when my order was at 2000 was Z51.
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Old Nov 14, 2013 | 09:42 PM
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Paragraph 2 - if at 3300 and "scheduled" why no TPW or VINs declared on current allocated orders? Part borrowed?
I don't understand. I am at 3300 and I do have a TPW. VINs are not assigned until 3400 when the order is brodcast and the build sheet or "plant order" is prepared.

What I meant by parts borrowed is that if they are running a car down the line and an assigned part is defective (every part has a sticker assigning it to a unique build) they need to get a replacement part. If there are a lot of rejections, as we suspect with the carbon fiber parts, they probably don't have enough spares to keep up with the rejected part replacement. The only way to keep the line moving is to "borrow" parts that are allocated, but not yet assigned, to a future build. That means that those future builds will have to be pulled from the schedule and sent back to code 3000 until additional parts are avaialble.
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Old Nov 14, 2013 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by lve2xlr8
This is the most helpful information I've seen in a while, thank you. I'm going to add this information to another thread, hope you don't mind. I think we'll be getting our cars around the same time. I also have a Z51 FAY, but with a body colored roof. I haven't been given a TPW yet, I will inquire again on Monday.

Here is my timeline:

2/14/13 Placed Deposit
10/12/13 2000 (Order placed)
10/23/13 3000
10/29/13 3100
11/04/13 3300

The only item constrained when my order was at 2000 was Z51.
Sure spead it around.

If your order went 3300 on 11/4 I would suspect your TPW is 11/18, usually seems to be only a 2 week lag from 3300 to 3400.

From what I understand you will not be able to get a TPW from your dealer or Customer Service. They will just be able to see it go 3400 (in production) and 3800 (built). I understand that with all of the start-up issues and changing production schedules the TPW data became so unreliable, GM removed dealer and CS access to prevent folks from expecting a production date and then having to deal with the disapointment when it changed.

Only the Museum has access to the produciton schedule part of the system so they can schedule the NCM deliveries. That does not mean to call the museum if your order is not R8C. They are only able to track the R8C orders. Since mine is R8C I have access to that information.
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Old Nov 14, 2013 | 10:07 PM
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Chevy: this constraint stuff is getting out of control. Either offer a bespoke program for buyers to order cars and DELIVER THEM AS ORDERED in a REASONABLE amount of time or just make what you can and ship it to dealers.

Get your act together for heaven's sake.

Call it tough love but this is really, really annoying and a turn off to the entire process.
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Old Nov 14, 2013 | 10:17 PM
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Chevy: this constraint stuff is getting out of control. Either offer a bespoke program for buyers to order cars and DELIVER THEM AS ORDERED in a REASONABLE amount of time or just make what you can and ship it to dealers.

Get your act together for heaven's sake.

Call it tough love but this is really, really annoying and a turn off to the entire process.



by the way, did I mention....
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Old Nov 15, 2013 | 09:05 AM
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Update: I was at 1100 up until yesterday and last night my order moved to 3000 with a TPW of 1/6/14 and that includes the CF roof, Z51 and CF interior.

Orders are getting in with these options. I'm in Canada so it might be a little different but GM Canada had similar constraints and my order did get picked up and scheduled yesterday... there is hope.
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Well, at least there is good news for some folks - Congrats!
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Old Nov 15, 2013 | 06:36 PM
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Old Nov 15, 2013 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by adamsocb
I don't understand. I am at 3300 and I do have a TPW. VINs are not assigned until 3400 when the order is brodcast and the build sheet or "plant order" is prepared.

What I meant by parts borrowed is that if they are running a car down the line and an assigned part is defective (every part has a sticker assigning it to a unique build) they need to get a replacement part. If there are a lot of rejections, as we suspect with the carbon fiber parts, they probably don't have enough spares to keep up with the rejected part replacement. The only way to keep the line moving is to "borrow" parts that are allocated, but not yet assigned, to a future build. That means that those future builds will have to be pulled from the schedule and sent back to code 3000 until additional parts are avaialble.
I was at 3400 (11/5/13) with a TPW 11/11/13. 2 days later went back to 3300 and no TPW (still there)-borrowed parts? I have another theory, dealers are ordering showroom vets with cf's, z51's etc. (all the constraint parts) and their getting them at the expense of our orders. Some may say BS but if they order all the options and sell them they maximize profits. Yeah I know free market and all that stuff.
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Originally Posted by hokiebus
I was at 3400 (11/5/13) with a TPW 11/11/13. 2 days later went back to 3300 and no TPW (still there)-borrowed parts? I have another theory, dealers are ordering showroom vets with cf's, z51's etc. (all the constraint parts) and their getting them at the expense of our orders. Some may say BS but if they order all the options and sell them they maximize profits. Yeah I know free market and all that stuff.
I don't think this is correct. My dealer (who is a friend so no BS) says that GM always prioritizes sold orders over showroom stock. He also said the messaging has been to not order cars with constraints for stock.
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Old Nov 15, 2013 | 08:16 PM
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So looking at the vert constraint report, I strike out 3 for 3 and it looks like I won't get my car until at least January. As Lawrence Welk used to say, wonnerful, wonnerful, wonnerful.
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I don't think this is correct. My dealer (who is a friend so no BS) says that GM always prioritizes sold orders over showroom stock. He also said the messaging has been to not order cars with constraints for stock.
Just for the heck of it I've been searching around for 2lt, z51, nav, npp, mag ride - no cf's of any kind same with roofs. All I've been finding are 3lt z51, npp, auto with most having cf interiors and roofs. Probably looked at 50-60 dealers around the country. Maybe I'm nuts but it sure looks like placed orders take a back seat. Don't know what ur dealer has as showroom stock - would be interesting to know.
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Originally Posted by hokiebus
Just for the heck of it I've been searching around for 2lt, z51, nav, npp, mag ride - no cf's of any kind same with roofs. All I've been finding are 3lt z51, npp, auto with most having cf interiors and roofs. Probably looked at 50-60 dealers around the country. Maybe I'm nuts but it sure looks like placed orders take a back seat. Don't know what ur dealer has as showroom stock - would be interesting to know.
seriously, chev could not pull off a conspiracy if they wanted to....and also right now it is very important PR wise for them to report huge sold numbers every month for 2013 sales to the industry and % over last ytd......they do that with sold orders, not stock. They are prioritizing sold orders, you can bet....

and btw, if you buy a stock car in january - check to see when the warranty started, probably the last 15 days of december... thru some behind the scenes program incentivizing the dealer to report it sold to the dealer as a dealer "demo"....

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Originally Posted by hokiebus
Just for the heck of it I've been searching around for 2lt, z51, nav, npp, mag ride - no cf's of any kind same with roofs. All I've been finding are 3lt z51, npp, auto with most having cf interiors and roofs. Probably looked at 50-60 dealers around the country. Maybe I'm nuts but it sure looks like placed orders take a back seat. Don't know what ur dealer has as showroom stock - would be interesting to know.
Were they all the Laguna Blue/Brownstone Premier Edition cars? 500 of those were made for showroom use ahead of sold orders to showcase the C7. This has been known for months.
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I don't think this is correct. My dealer (who is a friend so no BS) says that GM always prioritizes sold orders over showroom stock. He also said the messaging has been to not order cars with constraints for stock.
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seriously, chev could not pull off a conspiracy if they wanted to....and also right now it is very important PR wise for them to report huge sold numbers every month for 2013 sales to the industry and % over last ytd......they do that with sold orders, not stock. They are prioritizing sold orders, you can bet....

and btw, if you buy a stock car in january - check to see when the warranty started, probably the last 15 days of december... thru some behind the scenes program incentivizing the dealer to report it sold to the dealer as a dealer "demo"....
Okay see your point. Had not looked at it that way - agree. Guess my frustration took over.
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Were they all the Laguna Blue/Brownstone Premier Edition cars? 500 of those were made for showroom use ahead of sold orders to showcase the C7. This has been known for months.
Yeah there were a bunch of laguna blues but there were also alot of the other colors - many of them 3lt z51 with a lot of cf stuff. Also did not see many non - z51s.
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Originally Posted by RickConti@Coughlin
It will go UP TO 50% after the new year....but not right away...

Notice the allocation #'s in the lower corner..0..he has ZERO allocation...

My report for this week is different...I have allocation this week...



Of my 9 Coupes , I can order 5 / Z51's...6 Cars can have the painted carbon roof and 6 if I want can have the AE4 comp seat

NO EXPOSED ROOFS, NO FAY CARBON DASH....NO ROOF PKG'S.

Thanks for that concise explanation!

Side question. Is the carbon fiber dash material something that could be ordered after-the-fact and installed DIY?
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Side question. Is the carbon fiber dash material something that could be ordered after-the-fact and installed DIY?
yes, for about the same that chev charges...BUT, it will require a complete dash dismantling...something I won't do as it can add more problems than before with sqeeks and such, others may feel differently....

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Originally Posted by hokiebus
Paragraph 2 - if at 3300 and "scheduled" why no TPW or VINs declared on current allocated orders? Part borrowed?
Perhaps it's a reaction to all the screaming, whining, and gnashing of teeth from buyers when TPWs changed back in Sep and Oct. GM caught such a load of crap from customers angry with change that maybe they are not releasing TPWs until the week before.

We can be an impatient, immature lot.
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