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You get on this thread trying to extole the virtues of Chris Harris ( a well documented Porsche shill) and you call me misleading. When are you ever going to call a spade a spade. All you ever do is twist and contort the facts. Just admit that Harris is a shill and we can get on with it.
I didn't twist or contort any facts. You made a claim about the 911's supposed waywardness that was flat out refuted as false by the Motor Trend editor. That is an undeniable fact. I don't have anything to admit to, but you sure do.
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But he's not a well documented shill to Porsche to the exclusion of any other product. He writes glowing reviews for Ferraris, Nissans, even Renault hatchbacks (when they deliver a quality product). The claim that he has a pro-Euro bias is shot, point blank in the face, by his rave reviews of the GT86 and GT-R (which he proclaimed as the better car than the 911 Turbo). Which is not suprising, given that Autocar and Car Magazine rate them highly as well. Are you going to now claim that all of these editors are joined in some cabal (along with a ZR1 owner who, unlike you, actually knows what it's like to drive such a car in the UK) to make the Corvette look bad?
I didn't twist or contort any facts. You made a claim about the 911's supposed waywardness that was flat out refuted as false by the Motor Trend editor. That is an undeniable fact. I don't have anything to admit to, but you sure do.
I didn't twist or contort any facts. You made a claim about the 911's supposed waywardness that was flat out refuted as false by the Motor Trend editor. That is an undeniable fact. I don't have anything to admit to, but you sure do.
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But he's not a well documented shill to Porsche to the exclusion of any other product. He writes glowing reviews for Ferraris, Nissans, even Renault hatchbacks (when they deliver a quality product). The claim that he has a pro-Euro bias is shot, point blank in the face, by his rave reviews of the GT86 and GT-R (which he proclaimed as the better car than the 911 Turbo). Which is not suprising, given that Autocar and Car Magazine rate them highly as well. Are you going to now claim that all of these editors are joined in some cabal (along with a ZR1 owner who, unlike you, actually knows what it's like to drive such a car in the UK) to make the Corvette look bad?
I didn't twist or contort any facts. You made a claim about the 911's supposed waywardness that was flat out refuted as false by the Motor Trend editor. That is an undeniable fact. I don't have anything to admit to, but you sure do.
I didn't twist or contort any facts. You made a claim about the 911's supposed waywardness that was flat out refuted as false by the Motor Trend editor. That is an undeniable fact. I don't have anything to admit to, but you sure do.
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He's a shill and you are just trying to hide it. Chris Harris has always promoted the 911 to point of making himself appear to be a biased journalist. I made a claim that I saw a 911 swap ends when I was watching the C7,911 and F12 test. I commented that the 911 did what 911's do best "SWAP ENDS". You can twist and contort my comments and the facts all you want, but nobody on this forum believes your commentary.
Not really relevant if anybody believes my commentary, but they can judge for themselves who is misleading here. You said:
"Ferrari banned Harris and therefore EVO from ever testing another Ferrari. Evo had no choice but to dump him. They would never get a Ferrari test in their magazine with Harris there."
Let's run through the actual chronology of events, shall we?
- Feb 15, 2011: Harris article about Ferrari's media micromanagement hits Jalopnik. (Now would be a good time as any for Ferrari to ban Harris and therefore Evo from ever testing another Ferrari.)
- Apr 2011: Evo is invited to test drive the Ferrari FF. (Chris Harris is still on payroll.)
- Aug 2011: Ferrari submits the 458 for a group comparo with the MP4-12C, Noble M600, Ford GT, SLS and 911 Turbo S. (Harris not only is still on payroll, he authors a segment of the test. At least three editors pick the Ferrari. Another one picks the Ford GT as the one he'd most like to take home, and its 5-star rating is retained, established when it beat all comers in their 2005 test. Nobody picks the McLaren nor the Porsche, both rated at 4.5 stars. Tell me something: If one of these editors is a Porsche shill, why doesn't he put a vote in for the Porsche?? Didn't think that one through very well, eh.)
- Oct 2011: Evo is invited to test drive the 458 Spider. (Chris Harris is still on payroll.)
- Oct 2011: Ferrari submits the 599 GTO to Evo for a head to head test against the Lexus LFA. (Chris Harris is still on payroll.)
- Nov 2011: Ferrari submits the FF for eCOTY. (Chris Harris still on payroll as evidenced by the video I posted. It is not true that just because Harris is banned, then that therefore means Evo is banned. Of the 8 judges, he is the only one to rank the Porsche Cayman R dead last in the final vote.)
- Jan 2012: Harris moves to PH and starts also contributing to DRIVE.
How can this even be true if Harris rated the GT-R higher than the 911 Turbo, and the 458 higher than the Turbo S, which is exactly what he did?
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He's a shill and you are just trying to hide it. Chris Harris has always promoted the 911 to point of making himself appear to be a biased journalist. I made a claim that I saw a 911 swap ends when I was watching the C7,911 and F12 test. I commented that the 911 did what 911's do best "SWAP ENDS". You can twist and contort my comments and the facts all you want, but nobody on this forum believes your commentary.
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2nd test with Harris preferring the GT-R over the Turbo (his first was with Autocar):
http://www.evo.co.uk/videos/supercar...tr_part_2.html
The cumulative rating in the mag put the GT-R on top as well.
3rd test with Harris picking the GT-R over a 911:
Final rankings in Drivers Republic
1st: GT-R (9 out of 10 stars)
2nd: Audi R8 (9/10)
3rd: Porsche 997.2 PDK (8/10)
4th: Aston Vantage (8/10)
I guess you didn't appreciate the irony of Harris having the ***** to question Ferrari's practices, and then Ferrari proving him to be precisely right by doing the very thing he accused them of (banning in retribution). I'm not going to deny that he's a 911 fan, anymore than you can deny that Porsche has a deserved reputation for building the kinds of cars that people covet. Yes, even those on a lonely island thousands of miles away who drive on the other side of the road. Nor can you rightfully claim that he always favors Porsches, because objectively we know that to be a patently false claim.
http://www.evo.co.uk/videos/supercar...tr_part_2.html
The cumulative rating in the mag put the GT-R on top as well.
3rd test with Harris picking the GT-R over a 911:
1st: GT-R (9 out of 10 stars)
2nd: Audi R8 (9/10)
3rd: Porsche 997.2 PDK (8/10)
4th: Aston Vantage (8/10)
I guess you didn't appreciate the irony of Harris having the ***** to question Ferrari's practices, and then Ferrari proving him to be precisely right by doing the very thing he accused them of (banning in retribution). I'm not going to deny that he's a 911 fan, anymore than you can deny that Porsche has a deserved reputation for building the kinds of cars that people covet. Yes, even those on a lonely island thousands of miles away who drive on the other side of the road. Nor can you rightfully claim that he always favors Porsches, because objectively we know that to be a patently false claim.