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Old May 2, 2014 | 09:43 AM
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I am leaving on 8000 mile around the USA trip next week. I researched availability of premium fuel along my route. Vast stretches of state highways through Utah and Wyoming have no premium fuel available. I am concerned due to the extreme elevation climbs I will make across great divide and in Yellowstone park. I'm sure the car has knock sensor but if I use regular fuel and keep my foot out of it will I be OK? Would anyone recommend an octane booster to take along with me and would that help?
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Old May 2, 2014 | 09:47 AM
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Car tuned for 91 so even cruising might knock some. A Lil knock not end of the world since it pulls timing but I wouldn't chance it.
Get case of Torco Accelerator .. dyno proven to raise octane. I use it. They have a chart to show how much to add to make what octane.
http://www.jreperformanceparts.com/torco.html
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Old May 2, 2014 | 09:50 AM
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I know people who never use premium in the vettes and claim they have no problems. I think the computer can sense the fuel and retard the spark to avoid a ping. You won't get top power but no damage to the engine.

I would be more concerned about using top tier gas. you may not find that either. I would take along a can of the GM cleaner and pop it in the tank about halfway.
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Living in that part of the country I've never had a problem finding premium. I don't believe you'll find "vast stretches" of highway out here with no premium fuel. Premium here is generally 91 octane, not 93, because of the altitude.

You should have no problem finding premium fuel on your trip.
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Old May 2, 2014 | 10:02 AM
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In the same boat with you. In the middle of Nebraska on our way back to Seattle, and had trouble finding 91 octane yesterday. According to the delivery associate at the Museum, it will run on 89 OK, but may have trouble with 87, even to the point of not starting. I have not tested that, and will do my best not to. So far, I have been able to find 91 or better. The Cenex here in this little town had 91. Conoco has it as well. Top tier stations are not in the smaller towns way off the interstates, as far as I can see. Along the main interstates there were top tier stations, at least so far.

Hope that this helps!

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Old May 2, 2014 | 10:04 AM
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Couple of bottles of Octane Boost and you are OK...
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Purchase the highest octane you can find. Remember, when your are in an area that is thousands of feet above sea level your car doesn't need 93 octane. Example; Denver Colorado is five thousand feet above sea level, you will not be able to find anything above 91 octane.
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Old May 2, 2014 | 10:17 AM
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I know people who never use premium in the vettes and claim they have no problems. I think the computer can sense the fuel and retard the spark to avoid a ping. You won't get top power but no damage to the engine.

I would be more concerned about using top tier gas. you may not find that either. I would take along a can of the GM cleaner and pop it in the tank about halfway.
Car does not sense fuel. The knock sensor picks up the knock and starts pulling timing. You don't need cleaner. You need torco. Just be safe.
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Label on the inside of your fuel door says 'Premium Fuel Recommended'. Owner's manual says 'Premium Fuel Required'. I don't think even GM knows what's best. Run top tier gas when you can get it. I believe the engine management is good enough to prevent damage.

I ran 87 most of the time in my C6 and could tell no difference in anything. I'll bet the C7 will be the same. Paranoia is rampant.
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The ECU will protect the engine if you run lower than 91-octane fuels (91+ is recommended). I wouldn't beat the hell out of it on 87-octane, but just use common sense. Hell, cruising down the highway you might even see a slight uptick in fuel mileage with the lower octane stuff
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just drive it!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Brett Miller
I am leaving on 8000 mile around the USA trip next week. I researched availability of premium fuel along my route. Vast stretches of state highways through Utah and Wyoming have no premium fuel available.
No "Premium" or no "91 octane". The high altitude states do have lower octanes, because naturally aspirated engines at high altitude don't need it. Regular drops from 87 to 85 octane, and Premium from 91 to 89. That should be fine, as long as the tank is nearing empty by the time you drop in altitude, so you can fill back up with 91. Also if you are just driving freeway, the octane requirements are typically low for that.

The knock sensor will protect the engine, unless you are near full throttle a lot of the time.

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Old May 2, 2014 | 01:32 PM
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I'd be nervous about driving it that far and the availability of "Premium" fuel. So, in order to be a trooper I'll lend you my wife's Prius to use and you can just leave the Vete with me while you're away.
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Originally Posted by dbdave
Label on the inside of your fuel door says 'Premium Fuel Recommended'. Owner's manual says 'Premium Fuel Required'. I don't think even GM knows what's best. Run top tier gas when you can get it. I believe the engine management is good enough to prevent damage.

I ran 87 most of the time in my C6 and could tell no difference in anything. I'll bet the C7 will be the same. Paranoia is rampant.
No way you would know the difference, as your C6 spent it's life using the low-octane timing maps. You probably never experienced the performance of the engine on the normal timing map.

If you had run a 1/4 mile or lapped a road course, using 91 or 93, then emptied the tank, filled it with 87, and repeated, you would see a difference.
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Old May 2, 2014 | 01:52 PM
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Use what you can get. At highway speeds and low RPM's on a trip of that length, I'd probably opt to run lower octane fuel myself or at least alternate between 87 and 91. As long as you are not running at high RPM's you car should be fine on 87.
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No way you would know the difference, as your C6 spent it's life using the low-octane timing maps. You probably never experienced the performance of the engine on the normal timing map.

If you had run a 1/4 mile or lapped a road course, using 91 or 93, then emptied the tank, filled it with 87, and repeated, you would see a difference.
My C6 was not a race car but it was a darn fine touring car! I suspect the C7 won't see the track either. Not everyone races these cars.
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Living in that part of the country I've never had a problem finding premium. I don't believe you'll find "vast stretches" of highway out here with no premium fuel. Premium here is generally 91 octane, not 93, because of the altitude.

You should have no problem finding premium fuel on your trip.
We have 91 octane everywhere in Wyoming too!! dpb
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If you have an automatic you will be running on 4 cylinders cruising down the highway anyway most of the time. I just mix octanes when I have to.
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If the knock sensors trigger significantly, the ECM will revert to the lower timing table and you will lose some performance at WOT. To prevent this, it's best to use 91 - 93 octane fuel. Fuel detonation or ping can occur at low, mid or high rpms. Many factors contribute: load, temps, IAT's, fuel, timing, A/F ratio, between shifts, tip in (accelerator), etc.

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The car was driven under those conditions during development, so you will be fine.
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