Z F 1 - Funny Stuff?
06-23-2014, 10:30 PM
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Z51 vs ZF1
You beat me to it! I was in a GM meeting back in 2008 where dealers were screaming for an automatic Z06. I told them they didn't need auto Z06, they just needed a regular car with the Z06 body. The other dealers said I was crazy but GM asked me why. I told them that 75% of the people buying the Z06 were buying it for the look not the performance. If you look at the Z06 sales numbers after the Grand Sport came out you'll see I was correct.
This is the same thing. Back in November I told the factory that if they wanted to solve their Z51 constraint problem, all they had to do was make the Z51 wheel available on the non-Z51 car. The bulk of the people buying Z51 will never use it's mechanical components and are only buying it for the look.
Dave
This is the same thing. Back in November I told the factory that if they wanted to solve their Z51 constraint problem, all they had to do was make the Z51 wheel available on the non-Z51 car. The bulk of the people buying Z51 will never use it's mechanical components and are only buying it for the look.
Dave
06-23-2014, 10:36 PM
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Melting Slicks
I will be buying a Z51 at the new price and I am sure I will be as happy as you! I personally wanted the 8 Spd auto so the wait is worth it too me. I am especially happy GM has came out with the ZF1 package for those who like the look. This will hopefully reduce the demand on the Z51 pkg and make it easier to get for those who want it! Sounds like a win win in my book.
06-23-2014, 11:37 PM
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I see Chevrolet has created a new option for us to spend even more money on. Yes, its an "almost Z51" designed for owners who like the look of the real deal but not the ride.
Now this is not a bad thing, unless you paid $$$ for a real Z51 then I suspect you feel a little cheated.
And, it looks to me that the guys at GM felt a litte guilty which is why they gave the new choice an RPO code of ZF1
which stands for Zee Fake One.....
Now this is not a bad thing, unless you paid $$$ for a real Z51 then I suspect you feel a little cheated.
And, it looks to me that the guys at GM felt a litte guilty which is why they gave the new choice an RPO code of ZF1
which stands for Zee Fake One.....
That's just ridiculous. I got a Z51 because *I wanted one* - not because it has jack to do with whatever anyone else is doing.
I think you have some major disappointment on the way. When that new Z06 is unleashed, we're all just "driving the base model." You will probably care, and I definitely won't. I enjoy my car, and no one else's car has any effect on that.
06-24-2014, 12:05 AM
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I don't understand people who think someone else's car has any kind of effect on their own.
That's just ridiculous. I got a Z51 because *I wanted one* - not because it has jack to do with whatever anyone else is doing.
I think you have some major disappointment on the way. When that new Z06 is unleashed, we're all just "driving the base model." You will probably care, and I definitely won't. I enjoy my car, and no one else's car has any effect on that.
That's just ridiculous. I got a Z51 because *I wanted one* - not because it has jack to do with whatever anyone else is doing.
I think you have some major disappointment on the way. When that new Z06 is unleashed, we're all just "driving the base model." You will probably care, and I definitely won't. I enjoy my car, and no one else's car has any effect on that.
06-24-2014, 12:26 AM
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I see Chevrolet has created a new option for us to spend even more money on. Yes, its an "almost Z51" designed for owners who like the look of the real deal but not the ride.
Now this is not a bad thing, unless you paid $$$ for a real Z51 then I suspect you feel a little cheated.
And, it looks to me that the guys at GM felt a litte guilty which is why they gave the new choice an RPO code of ZF1
which stands for Zee Fake One.....
Now this is not a bad thing, unless you paid $$$ for a real Z51 then I suspect you feel a little cheated.
And, it looks to me that the guys at GM felt a litte guilty which is why they gave the new choice an RPO code of ZF1
which stands for Zee Fake One.....
If you got the Z51 option to pose as a guy that drives his car hard on the track, but you really just did it for the appearance, then, yes, you'd feel a bit cheated.
In fact, there is something rather honest about the guys that got the ZF1 option. Those fellas just wanted the look of the car and likely care very little if yours does better cornering at the track. They are not likely to ever track their car anyway. Who's the real poser?
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06-24-2014, 01:14 AM
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One of the best options on the C7 that's only available with the Z51 is the magnetic suspension. So you can get the look with the ZF1 but your missing the awesome magnetic suspension.
06-24-2014, 01:50 AM
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I sure don't feel cheated. I feel like I got a deal!
06-24-2014, 09:17 AM
#31
The Z51 package was the deal of the century on 2014s. Few will dispute that.
As for whether someone "uses it" or not, I've actually seen quite a few reviews on video and in print that said that it is noticeable even for daily drivers the difference and that it's a lot more of a spirited drive with the Z51. These are opinions, of course, and most people seem to be firmly in their corners for some silly reason, but there are those who don't track cars who will get enjoyment out of it if they ordered it. I certainly do not disagree with Dave though that there were many who ordered it for appearance alone. Multiple things can be true here and certainly seem to be.
In my opinion, for what it's worth, the ZF1 was a great move for GM as a half measure to allow for, as Dave said, people who wanted the appearance to get it and also to loosen up constraint on those who want the full Z51 package. It's also, most importantly for GM, a winner on the financials because as discussed it's nearly the same price as the 2014 Z51 package for hardly any of the cost to GM resulting in more profit.
I would argue that the Z51 package was priced incorrectly in 2014 and consumers benefitted from it. Those who took advantage were fortunate to do so. But few who did I doubt think themselves superior because of it, just like 3LT isn't superior to 2LT which isn't superior to 1LT. They're just choices that people made.
As for whether someone "uses it" or not, I've actually seen quite a few reviews on video and in print that said that it is noticeable even for daily drivers the difference and that it's a lot more of a spirited drive with the Z51. These are opinions, of course, and most people seem to be firmly in their corners for some silly reason, but there are those who don't track cars who will get enjoyment out of it if they ordered it. I certainly do not disagree with Dave though that there were many who ordered it for appearance alone. Multiple things can be true here and certainly seem to be.
In my opinion, for what it's worth, the ZF1 was a great move for GM as a half measure to allow for, as Dave said, people who wanted the appearance to get it and also to loosen up constraint on those who want the full Z51 package. It's also, most importantly for GM, a winner on the financials because as discussed it's nearly the same price as the 2014 Z51 package for hardly any of the cost to GM resulting in more profit.
I would argue that the Z51 package was priced incorrectly in 2014 and consumers benefitted from it. Those who took advantage were fortunate to do so. But few who did I doubt think themselves superior because of it, just like 3LT isn't superior to 2LT which isn't superior to 1LT. They're just choices that people made.
06-24-2014, 09:43 AM
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When the new Z06 comes out, there will be some who will scoff at many of the current "base" Corvette drivers. When (and IF) GM offers a wide-body version of the C7 that is not a Z06 (a la "Grand Sport"), some of these guys' heads will explode.
06-24-2014, 10:27 AM
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Look boys......... PUT ON YOUR BIG BOY PANTS!!!! Why do you care what anyone else buys or does? Are you that shallow or insecure that you need stroked?????
To me if GM can make another nickle and good dealers like Kerbeck can share in some of that more the better!!!!
If we all love the Corvette we need to be supportive of their efforts to make money. You know they got some big problems and need to sell as much product as they can.
People will vote on what options they want with their wallet. Just like Harley Davidson why should GM leave mod money on the table for aftermarket vendors????? The more GM can make the better we all are, its a free market.
You like the hobby want to help secure it for the future then let GM profit.
They can sell poka dot cars for all I care as long as I can get what I want.
To me if GM can make another nickle and good dealers like Kerbeck can share in some of that more the better!!!!
If we all love the Corvette we need to be supportive of their efforts to make money. You know they got some big problems and need to sell as much product as they can.
People will vote on what options they want with their wallet. Just like Harley Davidson why should GM leave mod money on the table for aftermarket vendors????? The more GM can make the better we all are, its a free market.
You like the hobby want to help secure it for the future then let GM profit.
They can sell poka dot cars for all I care as long as I can get what I want.
06-24-2014, 12:43 PM
#35
You beat me to it! I was in a GM meeting back in 2008 where dealers were screaming for an automatic Z06. I told them they didn't need auto Z06, they just needed a regular car with the Z06 body. The other dealers said I was crazy but GM asked me why. I told them that 75% of the people buying the Z06 were buying it for the look not the performance. If you look at the Z06 sales numbers after the Grand Sport came out you'll see I was correct.
This is the same thing. Back in November I told the factory that if they wanted to solve their Z51 constraint problem, all they had to do was make the Z51 wheel available on the non-Z51 car. The bulk of the people buying Z51 will never use it's mechanical components and are only buying it for the look.
Dave
This is the same thing. Back in November I told the factory that if they wanted to solve their Z51 constraint problem, all they had to do was make the Z51 wheel available on the non-Z51 car. The bulk of the people buying Z51 will never use it's mechanical components and are only buying it for the look.
Dave
06-24-2014, 01:05 PM
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This elitism is stupid, but it has reared its head since different engine options were made available on the C2 (or maybe even C1 when the V8 was offered... Much better then the lowly Blue Flame!). Funny thing is 99% of the general public couldn't tell you whether a C7 is a Z51 or not, and in fact, wouldn't care if you pointed out to them. And would probably nod-off if you tried to explain why the Z51 is so much "better." Only us 1%ers (Forum members) care, and even some of us don't.
06-24-2014, 05:34 PM
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I don't understand people who think someone else's car has any kind of effect on their own.
That's just ridiculous. I got a Z51 because *I wanted one* - not because it has jack to do with whatever anyone else is doing.
I think you have some major disappointment on the way. When that new Z06 is unleashed, we're all just "driving the base model." You will probably care, and I definitely won't. I enjoy my car, and no one else's car has any effect on that.
That's just ridiculous. I got a Z51 because *I wanted one* - not because it has jack to do with whatever anyone else is doing.
I think you have some major disappointment on the way. When that new Z06 is unleashed, we're all just "driving the base model." You will probably care, and I definitely won't. I enjoy my car, and no one else's car has any effect on that.
06-24-2014, 05:51 PM
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In another year or so, we'll be rid of all of them.....maybe.
For the life of me, I don't understand why ANYONE cares what OTHER people do with THEIR money...They're called "OPTIONS". You know, in the 2 months I've had my car, not a single person has asked: "Is that a Z51?"
It's funny, when I saw this option announced, the FIRST thing that popped in my head was that there would be posts about "poseur" Z51's. So, what should we do about guys putting Z06 grills on their cars?????
Everyone here should go to the Alfa Romeo 4C forum, it is a JOYOUS place, with folks reveling in their new car and folks waiting for theirs joining them. None of this insecure, childish crap that goes on here. And NO trolls telling 4C owners how they:
1. Got ripped off
2. Should have bought a Cayman/Boxster/C7/etc
Jimmy
Last edited by jimmyb; 06-24-2014 at 06:15 PM.
06-24-2014, 06:09 PM
#39
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You beat me to it! I was in a GM meeting back in 2008 where dealers were screaming for an automatic Z06. I told them they didn't need auto Z06, they just needed a regular car with the Z06 body. The other dealers said I was crazy but GM asked me why. I told them that 75% of the people buying the Z06 were buying it for the look not the performance. If you look at the Z06 sales numbers after the Grand Sport came out you'll see I was correct.
This is the same thing. Back in November I told the factory that if they wanted to solve their Z51 constraint problem, all they had to do was make the Z51 wheel available on the non-Z51 car. The bulk of the people buying Z51 will never use it's mechanical components and are only buying it for the look.
Dave
This is the same thing. Back in November I told the factory that if they wanted to solve their Z51 constraint problem, all they had to do was make the Z51 wheel available on the non-Z51 car. The bulk of the people buying Z51 will never use it's mechanical components and are only buying it for the look.
Dave
Don't be such a big dope. Why would anyone listen to a guy that sells HUNDREDS of Corvettes a year?????
And all flippery aside, you're spot on, as always. It will be interesting to see if GM is willing to cannibalize the C7 Z06 with a C7 GS in a few years.
Jimmy
Last edited by jimmyb; 06-24-2014 at 06:12 PM.
06-24-2014, 07:12 PM
#40
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Dave, Dave, Dave.....
Don't be such a big dope. Why would anyone listen to a guy that sells HUNDREDS of Corvettes a year?????
And all flippery aside, you're spot on, as always. It will be interesting to see if GM is willing to cannibalize the C7 Z06 with a C7 GS in a few years.
Jimmy
Don't be such a big dope. Why would anyone listen to a guy that sells HUNDREDS of Corvettes a year?????
And all flippery aside, you're spot on, as always. It will be interesting to see if GM is willing to cannibalize the C7 Z06 with a C7 GS in a few years.
Jimmy
Dave
