Navagation for 2015
Racer
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From: New Albany IN
It's so funny to me that people that order a Z51 would not want the Nav/PDR why buy a Z51 which is a proformance opt and not get the PDR.
I broke this news durning the Bash and was told no way. Then it happens and people are saying NO WAY...
You are spending $60 to $75K for your car. if you want the Nav. a $1000 is not going to kill you and I was told there is more to it than just a Track Cam. opt.
I will let you know in a few weeks or so.
I broke this news durning the Bash and was told no way. Then it happens and people are saying NO WAY...
You are spending $60 to $75K for your car. if you want the Nav. a $1000 is not going to kill you and I was told there is more to it than just a Track Cam. opt.
I will let you know in a few weeks or so.
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if he is a local low volume dealer....you are a smart man get the answer that you are looking for. I can tell you with a fair amount of certainty once they start delivering the 2015's there will be at least one thread a day with " my dealer promised I would be in production by now but says it is all GM's fault.." These are special times for the corvette with unprecedented popularity the rules are different...get your answer..then look up a forum vendor and get what you want for less and quicker...or...not.
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It's so funny to me that people that order a Z51 would not want the Nav/PDR why buy a Z51 which is a proformance opt and not get the PDR.
I broke this news durning the Bash and was told no way. Then it happens and people are saying NO WAY...
You are spending $60 to $75K for your car. if you want the Nav. a $1000 is not going to kill you and I was told there is more to it than just a Track Cam. opt.
I will let you know in a few weeks or so.
I broke this news durning the Bash and was told no way. Then it happens and people are saying NO WAY...
You are spending $60 to $75K for your car. if you want the Nav. a $1000 is not going to kill you and I was told there is more to it than just a Track Cam. opt.
I will let you know in a few weeks or so.
Drifting
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From: Hillsdale NJ
People, stop the nonsense, you are not paying $1000 for the PDR. The PDR is just software that happens to be part of the Nav system because it uses the GPS, has the SD card, and has the CPU power to do it. The only extra cost for the PDR is the camera and the cable from the camera. So if they "removed" the PDR for you, they could maybe deduct $100 from the price, but then again adding another order/build option probably cost them $100 in paperwork and logistics tracking.
SO ITS FREE. DEAL WITH IT.
SO ITS FREE. DEAL WITH IT.
Race Director
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From: La Center WA
People, stop the nonsense, you are not paying $1000 for the PDR. The PDR is just software that happens to be part of the Nav system because it uses the GPS, has the SD card, and has the CPU power to do it. The only extra cost for the PDR is the camera and the cable from the camera. So if they "removed" the PDR for you, they could maybe deduct $100 from the price, but then again adding another order/build option probably cost them $100 in paperwork and logistics tracking.
SO ITS FREE. DEAL WITH IT.
SO ITS FREE. DEAL WITH IT.
Fact #2: In 2015 navigation costs $1795.
Fact #3: The only difference between the 2014 and 2015 navigation systems is that the 2015 version includes the PDR.
As far as I'm concerned, GM is charging an additional $1000 for the PDR. You can feel free to come to whatever conclusion you'd like.
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People, stop the nonsense, you are not paying $1000 for the PDR. The PDR is just software that happens to be part of the Nav system because it uses the GPS, has the SD card, and has the CPU power to do it. The only extra cost for the PDR is the camera and the cable from the camera. So if they "removed" the PDR for you, they could maybe deduct $100 from the price, but then again adding another order/build option probably cost them $100 in paperwork and logistics tracking.
SO ITS FREE. DEAL WITH IT.
SO ITS FREE. DEAL WITH IT.
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From: Manheim Pennsylvania
People, stop the nonsense, you are not paying $1000 for the PDR. The PDR is just software that happens to be part of the Nav system because it uses the GPS, has the SD card, and has the CPU power to do it. The only extra cost for the PDR is the camera and the cable from the camera. So if they "removed" the PDR for you, they could maybe deduct $100 from the price, but then again adding another order/build option probably cost them $100 in paperwork and logistics tracking.
SO ITS FREE. DEAL WITH IT.
SO ITS FREE. DEAL WITH IT.
Free? Check the dictionary for definition. No matter how you slice it the navigation system has a price increase of $1,000. GM is using a camera system as an excuse to increase the price. We're they losing money on every navigation system sold? Amazing it is just another $1,000, these just another thousand dollars are starting to add up.
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The forced bundling of the navigation system with the performance data package really pisses me off.
I'm not going to own a corvette without built-in navigation. The after-market units shoehorned onto the dash or in the cubby look like crap on a $75k car.
So I'm now compelled to pay $1000 for an option I have zero interest in so that I can get the $795 option I want.
And before the Captain Obvious army weighs in, and the GM apologists attack, I've worked on the periphery of the auto business for 20 years and understand very well that options are bundled all the time and I even understand why.
What makes this particular bundling offensive is that it is expensive and the one (navigation) has nothing to do with the other (performance data option). And again, before the dimwitted GM apologists spring into action, simply because they both use the same screen doesn't make bundling them any more necessary than bundling performance data with the freakin' radio. And unlike performance packages, luxury group packages, etc. there is no synergy between navigation and racing videos. From a synergy point of view, it would make much more sense to bundle performance data with the Z51 package.
I'm just venting,..... Carry on.
I'm not going to own a corvette without built-in navigation. The after-market units shoehorned onto the dash or in the cubby look like crap on a $75k car.
So I'm now compelled to pay $1000 for an option I have zero interest in so that I can get the $795 option I want.
And before the Captain Obvious army weighs in, and the GM apologists attack, I've worked on the periphery of the auto business for 20 years and understand very well that options are bundled all the time and I even understand why.
What makes this particular bundling offensive is that it is expensive and the one (navigation) has nothing to do with the other (performance data option). And again, before the dimwitted GM apologists spring into action, simply because they both use the same screen doesn't make bundling them any more necessary than bundling performance data with the freakin' radio. And unlike performance packages, luxury group packages, etc. there is no synergy between navigation and racing videos. From a synergy point of view, it would make much more sense to bundle performance data with the Z51 package.
I'm just venting,..... Carry on.
Last edited by dwward; Aug 5, 2014 at 12:13 PM.
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Z51 buyers are faced with a similar decision, maybe they want the basic Z51 option but don't want the NPP because they have other plans.
Now if it was easy to install the NPP on non-NPP cars folks could remove the system and have a ready made set of buyers. But as I understand it installing the NPP on a non NPP is a none starter.
And wait until they bundle the MRC into the Z51. Using GM's new logic, why would you buy the Z51 w/o the MRC, don't you want the highest tech/performance model just under the Z06?
Now if it was easy to install the NPP on non-NPP cars folks could remove the system and have a ready made set of buyers. But as I understand it installing the NPP on a non NPP is a none starter.
And wait until they bundle the MRC into the Z51. Using GM's new logic, why would you buy the Z51 w/o the MRC, don't you want the highest tech/performance model just under the Z06?
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Yes, all Stingrays have 3 USB ports, one 3.5mm (Auxiliary in) and one SD slot. Two USB ports, the 3.5mm port and the SD card slot are located under the center console cover. The third USB port is located in the cubby behind the Infotainment screen. This is with or without navigation.
The 2015 cars with navigation (and PDR) will get an additional SD card slot located in the passenger side glove compartment for the PDR SD car for video recording.
The 2015 cars with navigation (and PDR) will get an additional SD card slot located in the passenger side glove compartment for the PDR SD car for video recording.
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From: Frankfort Kentucky
Just read this thread today (8-6-14) and find it fascinating. We have a 2014 3LT that included the navigation system. It is a cruising car for us, non Z51, but otherwise loaded with options and we love the car and plan on doing Route 66 either this fall or next year. We are not interested in a track car and the only track this one will see while we have it will be for a cruising lap at the BG track. We normally trade cars about every 3 years or so and we will order the next one similarly equipped to the one we have. GM is not including the navigation system, which we like once we figured it out, with the 3LT package? We do love this car and it is fun to drive and we consider it the best value high performance sports car available. It may make sense for us to return to the SL/SLK MB series if they begin moving to the stratospheric price range of the European cars. Although the C7 is absolutely gorgeous.
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The Corvette with the HUD is best.
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Good Lord.....
GM is in business to maximize profits for its shareholders (the GM/Obama illegal takeover not withstanding).
Based on 2014 sales, Chevy has a major hit with the Stingray. Face it, folks will pretty much pay whatever is charged for one and/or the bells & whistles and GM will exploit that. EXACTLY what their fiduciary responsibilities require them to do.......
GM is in business to maximize profits for its shareholders (the GM/Obama illegal takeover not withstanding).
Based on 2014 sales, Chevy has a major hit with the Stingray. Face it, folks will pretty much pay whatever is charged for one and/or the bells & whistles and GM will exploit that. EXACTLY what their fiduciary responsibilities require them to do.......
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We're dissing it because compared to systems in other cars it's probably the worst.
I know the Garmin based system in my 2014 Ram pickup is literally 10 times faster taking inputs, has a much more robust POI system and a far more intuitive data input system. I can also superimpose the maps on the media screen without losing any data from the media while I get a smaller, 3" wide window of a map. It also displays routing instructions on the DIC (Driver Information Console) and has full voice interaction. Oh, and it was only a $500 option that can be added to any 8.4A radio even after it's built and on the dealer's lot (Note: the optional radio add has a few less features because the 8.4A radio only has an 8GB memory system while the 8.4AN has 16GB).
Even that is 3 times more expensive than a top end dash top unit but I'm willing to pay for the integration and continuity an in-dash unit has.
I know the Garmin based system in my 2014 Ram pickup is literally 10 times faster taking inputs, has a much more robust POI system and a far more intuitive data input system. I can also superimpose the maps on the media screen without losing any data from the media while I get a smaller, 3" wide window of a map. It also displays routing instructions on the DIC (Driver Information Console) and has full voice interaction. Oh, and it was only a $500 option that can be added to any 8.4A radio even after it's built and on the dealer's lot (Note: the optional radio add has a few less features because the 8.4A radio only has an 8GB memory system while the 8.4AN has 16GB).
Even that is 3 times more expensive than a top end dash top unit but I'm willing to pay for the integration and continuity an in-dash unit has.
Having operated various navigation systems, I have not seen any faster, never have operated the Chrysler version though. Programming takes about the same time, the Corvette does take a more profound button push for data entry (not necessary a bad thing, some systems input to easily and unwanted data entries abound). I change route preferences quite often and have discovered routing to destination is virtually the same between units. I have been flying medium corporate jets for years and actually find these new automotive navigation systems quite similar in programming verses flight guidance systems (airways or interstates). All systems need a destination and a starting point, routing is determined/selected by operator.
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Having operated various navigation systems, I have not seen any faster, never have operated the Chrysler version though. Programming takes about the same time, the Corvette does take a more profound button push for data entry (not necessary a bad thing, some systems input to easily and unwanted data entries abound). I change route preferences quite often and have discovered routing to destination is virtually the same between units. I have been flying medium corporate jets for years and actually find these new automotive navigation systems quite similar in programming verses flight guidance systems (airways or interstates). All systems need a destination and a starting point, routing is determined/selected by operator.
The C7's NAV system is better than having to carry around one's Jeps
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Yes, all Stingrays have 3 USB ports, one 3.5mm (Auxiliary in) and one SD slot. Two USB ports, the 3.5mm port and the SD card slot are located under the center console cover. The third USB port is located in the cubby behind the Infotainment screen. This is with or without navigation.
The 2015 cars with navigation (and PDR) will get an additional SD card slot located in the passenger side glove compartment for the PDR SD car for video recording.
The 2015 cars with navigation (and PDR) will get an additional SD card slot located in the passenger side glove compartment for the PDR SD car for video recording.