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Old Feb 12, 2015 | 07:00 PM
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Bought a new C7 from and out of state dealer. Had it shipped to California.
Calif. DMV requires SMOG certificate to register the car....car failed test.
"Monitors Not Ready: Oxygen Sensor and Evaporative System.
Local dealer says.. "drive the car and problem will resolve it's self".
Now have 200 miles on car....issue unresolved.

Anyone else have similar experience...suggestions.

Its not that I don't enjoy driving my car....its just a hassle and my 20 days to register the car are are up.
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Old Feb 12, 2015 | 07:13 PM
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I did a courtesy delivery to California to a local dealer here, I do not even recall them doing smog on it, drove the car off the lot with 3 miles on it. It was registered by the dealer on the spot when I picked it up.
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Old Feb 12, 2015 | 07:16 PM
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I did a courtesy delivery to California to a local dealer here, I do not even recall them doing smog on it, drove the car off the lot with 3 miles on it. It was registered by the dealer on the spot when I picked it up.
I think that is a different situation....mine was not a courtesy delivery. I bought the car off the dealers show room floor, it was not a car I ordered.
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Old Feb 12, 2015 | 07:18 PM
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I'd say 500 miles, however mine was titled in CA from the out of state dealer so no smog. Do a search and you'll find other threads about this.
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Old Feb 12, 2015 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Lucky 15
Bought a new C7 from and out of state dealer. Had it shipped to California.
Calif. DMV requires SMOG certificate to register the car....car failed test.
"Monitors Not Ready: Oxygen Sensor and Evaporative System.
Local dealer says.. "drive the car and problem will resolve it's self".
Now have 200 miles on car....issue unresolved.

Anyone else have similar experience...suggestions.

Its not that I don't enjoy driving my car....its just a hassle and my 20 days to register the car are are up.
All new cars in CA are smog test exempt for the first 6 years. This is directly from the CA DMV website:

Owners of vehicles six or less model years old will pay an annual smog abatement fee for the first six registration years instead of being required to provide a biennial smog certification.
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Old Feb 12, 2015 | 08:44 PM
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Do a search, there used to be numerous threads on this in early 2014. Don't recall exactly but thought it was around 250 miles for this to correct itself. May be wrong though.
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Old Feb 12, 2015 | 10:32 PM
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The car he bought was likely 50 state federal but not CA YF5 emissions optioned and labeled. From the DMV web site:

The Bottom Line

If you are a California resident and acquire a new car, truck, or motorcycle from another state, it must be certified to meet California smog laws to be registered in California. This includes certain diesel-powered vehicles. DMV cannot accept an application to register a vehicle in California that does not qualify for registration (California Health and Safety Code §§43150 - 43156).

What Is Considered a New Vehicle?

California considers any vehicle with less than 7,500 miles on the odometer at the time of purchase or trade by a California resident or business, to be a new vehicle. This is true whether or not the vehicle has been registered in another state.

Aren't All Vehicles California Certified?

Not all new vehicles are manufactured to be sold in California. Many manufacturers make vehicles to be sold only in the other 49 states. These vehicles (49-state) are made with smog equipment that meets federal emission standards, but not California standards. California-certified (50-state) vehicles are made to be sold in California.

Check the Label

To find out whether a car, truck, or motorcycle is California certified, check the emission label under the hood. For a motorcycle, check the frame or refer to your owner' s manual for the location. The label should read that the vehicle conforms to California regulations, or that it is legal for sale in California.
It has been said over and over here that CA Emissions option YF5 is a requirement for new cars bought out of state and brought in with less than 7,500 miles on them. CARB wants the CA emissions sticker, not 50 states. Some forum dealers back east order them with the YF5 option figuring there is a good chance they'll end up in CA.

Keep us posted.

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Old Feb 12, 2015 | 11:01 PM
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It will take about 1000-2000 miles to get all the sensors activated for your California smog test.... Ask me how I know...
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Old Feb 12, 2015 | 11:59 PM
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People on this website have such misinformation when it comes to registering an out of state car in California, its almost comical. California lives up to the reputation of a regulation nightmare for sure, but please stop spreading misinformation.

1. Any car that is 50 state smog legal can be registered in California.

2. California bureaucracy is unmatched by anything other then a Communist country.

3. YF5 is the CA specific emissions package primarily designed for cars destined for California, more specifically dealers with a business in California. Its part of the lovely regulations the state has in all things vehicle.

4. Forum dealers do a great job of ordering the car with YF5 for us in California, but if it didn't get done, please re-read #1.

5. All cars purchased out of state, brand spanking new or not, with YF5 or not, will require a smog when registering in California for the first time. After that it qualifies for the smog abatement fee for the first 6 years of a new car. If this doesn't sink in, please re-read #2.

That said, to the OP original question, the shop you went to most likely had an older machine, and driving it some more will set the parameters in the computer that will allow it to be read correctly. I have heard anywhere from 250 to 500 miles. You can tell if they are using an older machine if they require the car to be driven on a rolling wheel for a load test during the smogging. That is gone the way of the dinosaur, as they passed a new requirement for smog stations to discontinue that practice for cars I believe are 15 years or newer, and require all smog stations to upgrade their equipment by sometime this year, I believe July. Please refer to point #2.

I know the above information to be true, as I just bought my car from MacMulkin last month, did museum delivery, drove it home 2500 miles, and promptly had to smog it. I go to the same smog shop I have used for 15 years, and he gave me the rundown on the new smog equipment they were using, as my car just sat there idling while the computer read everything in about 4 minutes. I wish they would sticky this type of question, as it causes massive confusion and frustration for people not familiar with the situation, which is unique to the great and lovely state of California.

Cheers.

and FYI, the 20 days is just how long the temp tags are good for your car from the out of state dealer, you can get an extension if needed.

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Old Feb 13, 2015 | 11:08 AM
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Thank you for your well informed response. At this point I am not concerned about ultimately getting it registered here in California. The information you have provided is consistent with my understanding....I was hoping to find away around the hassle factor. Bought myself a gauge to plug into the computer on the car so I can test it myself, then when all green, will go back to smog station. Meantime, will get a 90 day extension from DMV.

Thanks again.
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Old Feb 13, 2015 | 11:14 AM
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CA should secede and become its own country. They have so many unique laws that it's no wonder businesses are relicating to more business friendly states. Ever notice how many products have CA unique stickers and warning labels?
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Old Feb 13, 2015 | 11:27 AM
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yep, I had to wait until ~500 miles before smog
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Old Feb 13, 2015 | 12:00 PM
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That is hilarious. I don't even know what you guys are talking about. none of that nonsense in FL LOL
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Old Feb 13, 2015 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by rothchilds
People on this website have such misinformation when it comes to registering an out of state car in California, its almost comical. California lives up to the reputation of a regulation nightmare for sure, but please stop spreading misinformation.

1. Any car that is 50 state smog legal can be registered in California.

2. California bureaucracy is unmatched by anything other then a Communist country.

3. YF5 is the CA specific emissions package primarily designed for cars destined for California, more specifically dealers with a business in California. Its part of the lovely regulations the state has in all things vehicle.

4. Forum dealers do a great job of ordering the car with YF5 for us in California, but if it didn't get done, please re-read #1.

5. All cars purchased out of state, brand spanking new or not, with YF5 or not, will require a smog when registering in California for the first time. After that it qualifies for the smog abatement fee for the first 6 years of a new car. If this doesn't sink in, please re-read #2.

That said, to the OP original question, the shop you went to most likely had an older machine, and driving it some more will set the parameters in the computer that will allow it to be read correctly. I have heard anywhere from 250 to 500 miles. You can tell if they are using an older machine if they require the car to be driven on a rolling wheel for a load test during the smogging. That is gone the way of the dinosaur, as they passed a new requirement for smog stations to discontinue that practice for cars I believe are 15 years or newer, and require all smog stations to upgrade their equipment by sometime this year, I believe July. Please refer to point #2.

I know the above information to be true, as I just bought my car from MacMulkin last month, did museum delivery, drove it home 2500 miles, and promptly had to smog it. I go to the same smog shop I have used for 15 years, and he gave me the rundown on the new smog equipment they were using, as my car just sat there idling while the computer read everything in about 4 minutes. I wish they would sticky this type of question, as it causes massive confusion and frustration for people not familiar with the situation, which is unique to the great and lovely state of California.

Cheers.

and FYI, the 20 days is just how long the temp tags are good for your car from the out of state dealer, you can get an extension if needed.
I guess I slipped through a crack then? Purchased mine from Les Stanford (maybe since it was originally titled in CA?) but no smog check for me.

I've since received my registration and plates.
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Old Feb 13, 2015 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by HighTeq
I guess I slipped through a crack then? Purchased mine from Les Stanford (maybe since it was originally titled in CA?) but no smog check for me.

I've since received my registration and plates.
No one that purchases from an out of state dealer can avoid the smog check requirement period. If it wasn't smog checked its illegal I have bought numerous vehicles from out of state new car dealers and they all had to have a smog check. If you have a courtesy delivery its possible the California dealer does this for you but somewhere along the way it was smog checked its state law. If it doesn't pass and its a 50 state vehicle then its a warranty issue.
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Old Feb 13, 2015 | 01:24 PM
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No one that purchases from an out of state dealer can avoid the smog check requirement period. If it wasn't smog checked its illegal I have bought numerous vehicles from out of state new car dealers and they all had to have a smog check. If you have a courtesy delivery its possible the California dealer does this for you but somewhere along the way it was smog checked its state law. If it doesn't pass and its a 50 state vehicle then its a warranty issue.
I ordered my courtesy delivery from Les Stanford and picked it up in CA and it didn't require smog. I spoke to both my salesman and the fleet manager where I picked it up to confirm this prior to getting it and again just now to make sure I wasn't missing something.

The fleet manager said that he has had some people that ordered courtesy delivery from other dealerships that had to get smog and vin verified etc. because they were set up differently at the purchasing dealership.
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"...5. All cars purchased out of state, brand spanking new or not, with YF5 or not, will require a smog when registering in California for the first time. After that it qualifies for the smog abatement fee for the first 6 years of a new car. If this doesn't sink in, please re-read #2. ..." rothchilds

Not doubting your word or others, but what year did this occur? Up until relatively recently a car with the CA sticker on (which was still a 50 state legal car, but WITH the sticker) did not need a smogging. So, are you saying a car from a CA dealer ordered for CA with the CA sticker still has to be smogged before it can legally go out on the road?
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Originally Posted by TNSQUIRE
All new cars in CA are smog test exempt for the first 6 years. This is directly from the CA DMV website:

Owners of vehicles six or less model years old will pay an annual smog abatement fee for the first six registration years instead of being required to provide a biennial smog certification.
You are wrong if the new car is bought out of state and brought into CA. They inspect the emissions sticker first and if it is not CA approved you cannot bring it into ca for 1 year and 7500 miles. CA also requires a smog certificate on all new cars purchased out of state and brought into CA.

If you purchase your car in Ca then yes no smog required as you mentioned. But the op bought his car out of state and had it trucked from another dealer thus he will have a vin verification, emissions sticker inspection, smog certification and then pay CA taxes even though it was bought out of state. There are no exemptions to this other than if you paid some sales tax to the other state, you will pay the difference to Ca.
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You are wrong if the new car is bought out of state and brought into CA. They inspect the emissions sticker first and if it is not CA approved you cannot bring it into ca for 1 year and 7500 miles. CA also requires a smog certificate on all new cars purchased out of state and brought into CA.

If you purchase your car in Ca then yes no smog required as you mentioned. But the op bought his car out of state and had it trucked from another dealer thus he will have a vin verification, emissions sticker inspection, smog certification and then pay CA taxes even though it was bought out of state. There are no exemptions to this other than if you paid some sales tax to the other state, you will pay the difference to Ca.
You are totally spot on.If the member's emission sticker under the hood of his car on the right passenger side doesn't say " California qualified", he is going to be in a world of hurt when he goes to register the vehicle in California, even if his car passes a smog test.
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It could be an issue of key on/off cycles not just miles.
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