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Sad GM
http://www.autoblog.com/2016/08/08/2...ance-official/
I CAN REMEMBER(because i'm old)WHEN GM'S OFFICIAL DECREE TO
THE DIVISIONS-NONE OF THEIR CARS WAS GOING TO BE FASTER THAN THE CORVETTE---De Lorean tried but his concept model was immediately killed off.
seems chevrolet is now being encouraged to actually do it for even less money! careful Z06 the camaro boys have you in their sights-a case of friendly fire?
I CAN REMEMBER(because i'm old)WHEN GM'S OFFICIAL DECREE TO
THE DIVISIONS-NONE OF THEIR CARS WAS GOING TO BE FASTER THAN THE CORVETTE---De Lorean tried but his concept model was immediately killed off.
seems chevrolet is now being encouraged to actually do it for even less money! careful Z06 the camaro boys have you in their sights-a case of friendly fire?
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Sounds like that Camaro will be a beast.
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Camaro has always been close good for Chebby
Not like most will be tracking thier car anyway
Remember the dark days of performance in the 70s gas rationing etc, if you got a decal pkg it was a big deal
(Just about everything built then was a raging pos mechanically. Now they are stout mechanically and electronic nightmares, too many of them).When the 5.0 GTs and C4s cracked 200hp there was a glimmer of hope for more power
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2.95 0-60 is the current spec for a Z06 equipped with an A8 and the Z07 package so the fastest Corvette is still faster than the fastest Camaro, traditionalists need not worry 
It won't be the first time that the fastest Camaro variation could exceed the slowest (make that least fast) Corvette configuration on some measures.
It won't be the first time that the fastest Camaro variation could exceed the slowest (make that least fast) Corvette configuration on some measures.
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Not sad, but hard to believe that high end Camaros now top $62K!
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I remember when they brought the Camaro back one of the GM people actually said that the future of the GM Sports car was the Camaro. I don't like it but the way the pricing has gone on the Corvette, the Corvette is out of the economic picture for lots of people...
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Anyway, as for those who were mentioning the 0-60 times, I'd wager the Z06 and Camaro are a lot closer to each other than the published GM numbers suggest. Based on what I've seen at Spring Mtn and the Karl Corvette day at Iowa Speedway, the Camaros get around the track almost as good as similarly powered C7s. If you have a C7 Z06 at the track, you better know what you're doing because the guy that knows how to drive his ZL1 is gonna be all over you.
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Part of the reason you are buying the Corvette is looks. The Vette has always beaten the Camaro in that regard.
I personally would never buy a car I didn't absolutely love the styling of, no matter how good it performs.
I personally would never buy a car I didn't absolutely love the styling of, no matter how good it performs.
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I heard the Camaro Pace Car was quite the ride this year. I missed the Karls Speedway event this year cause of the ultra heat and humidity that day. Karls does put on a heck of an event.
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Anybody can make a car go fast. The question is, can they do it with finesse? And how's the handling? How does it look? The Vette is a good looking sports car that performs well. The Camaro and Mustang are sedans with performance engines. It's like throwing a 427 in a Chevy Bel Air. Sure it goes fast, and if you say it looks cool, Okay.
But in terms of being competition for the vette? These cars aren't even on the radar.
But in terms of being competition for the vette? These cars aren't even on the radar.
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And it's free except wear and tear on your car. Even free food. I figured I'd be joyriding around the track "at speeds up to 85 mph". Didn't think I'd be putting what I learned at Spring Mtn to the test in my own car. It was awesome if you were either behind the pace car or everyone between you and the pace car was fast. Last session I did I really got to run my car at 100%. Ripped up my tires a bit but it was a blast. Could break 112 on the back straight before diving into the infield road course and at least 110 on the front with my ZF1 base convertible M7. Going around the oval 1-2 I could maintain around 90 mph at 1.02 G or so. Probably could've done better on the oval but I was spooked about the wall. Car pulls 0.21 G parked on turn 3-4 waiting for pics.
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They looks so much better that camaros and mustangs. Now less of them on the road would be better.
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Anybody can make a car go fast. The question is, can they do it with finesse? And how's the handling? How does it look? The Vette is a good looking sports car that performs well. The Camaro and Mustang are sedans with performance engines. It's like throwing a 427 in a Chevy Bel Air. Sure it goes fast, and if you say it looks cool, Okay.
But in terms of being competition for the vette? These cars aren't even on the radar.
But in terms of being competition for the vette? These cars aren't even on the radar.
That said, if you equate the new Camaro to a Bel Air, it is clear you haven't driven one, or even spent much time reading reviews about it (or its platform-mate, the ATS).
GM did a fantastic job on this platform and the Camaro -- it handles great. Exactly like a Corvette? No, still heavier and bigger. But very much "on the radar" and fairly close.
They are still different cars, with different audiences, and with somewhat different purposes, and very few people will prefer to cruise around in the Camaro over the Corvette all things being equal (as long as you only need 2 seats). But if you are spending money on a track car, you've got a tough decision to make (actually for me, probably wouldn't even be that tough, can spend about 60- 65% of the $$ for probably 80-90% of the performance of a Z06).
Corvette drivers shouldn't be jealous or downplay what GM did, as noted, this is a great time for sports cars, and it is good that the Corvette and Camaro teams have each other for some internal competition that makes both cars better.
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I lived through the dark days of 150 hp V8s that ran like crap. 
Enjoy it while it lasts, before the green tree hugger globalists force everyone into bicycles while they fly all over the globe on their private jets to attend their global warming conferences.
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Yep. I do wonder when the other shoe is going to drop. As the EPA comes up with even more ridiculous numbers, it's only a matter of time before they force everyone to drive anemic 4-bangers...
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