Come on... when was the last time modern Windows crashed on you?

If you wanted Windows with the reliability of a swiss watch it could be done. It'd cost $150,000.00 per copy and the first version would ship in about the year 2037.

People pickin' on Windows. What is this, the 90s?

 

It isn't crashing but it is doing more of what caused me to always dislike Apple products, making your choices/decisions for you. At least the most recent "creator" update asked about some preferences before installing but since upgrading my devices to Win 10 I have lost count of how many times my preferences were changed via the updates. I am running Win 10 pro on my dual Xeon workstation so it makes it a little easier to avoid some of Microsoft's intrusive behavior but it is not good on my laptop and pad that are running regular "home" versions of 10.

And I liked the 90s, no complaints at all from me about XP. Every box I had running it was rock solid, it wasn't bloated and did what it should and nothing more. The level of disk and processor activity exhibited by Win 10 after startup would make an XP user think every Russian hacker in the world has invaded his PC. It isn't bad with the desktop workstation but my little Asus pad sits at near 100% CPU and disk for several minutes after start and even though I was often able to improve its behavior the next Win 10 update would screw things up again. In the 90s I did a lot of consulting for a joint venture run out of MS so I have a soft spot for the company but I absolutely despise Win 10 but my iPhone has convinced me I wouldn't like Apple any better.

 

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When it comes to cars, I tend to agree with your observations on almost everything, but we couldn't be more different on Apple v. Windows. I bought the first Mac in 1984, before Windows, and while MS was still DOS, and I have had every Mac OS since, along w/ iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch . . . the works. I consider every one of their devices simply awesome. They just always work, effortlessly, without having to call for IT support.

On the other hand, I've been forced to use every version of Windows in my professional career, and I absolutely detest Windows machines. My CONTROL, ALT, DELETE, fingers have callouses on them.

 

Yes. I just retired from my computer business, and because of Windows I made a good living maintaining and mostly fixing it.
It's too bad they never had any real competition in the Enterprise.

 

As one of the engineers that wrote Windows, I'm too partial to be useful in the discussion, but remember it is my life's work, so be kind if you can... :-)

Especially Task Manager (I wrote that at home as a hobby project), Zip Folders (another side project), Space Cadet pinball, the Explorer, and so on...

In my defense, after I left MS-DOS I was always on the 32-bit side (so NT, XP, 2000, 2003, etc). So none of that Win9X stuff is my fault :-) And I left about 15 years ago now...

These days I buy exclusively Macs. Then I bring them home, format them, and install Windows 10. Best of both worlds! Except for the latest Macbook, trying that one native first.

 

Let's get back to topic, is not a computer or cellphone forum

 

Dave,

You will be happy to know I use task manager VERY OFTEN in Win 10 There are a lot of processes that often need killing but getting rid of that damned Cortana is like killing Jason in Friday the thirteenth, every time you think you killed it it comes back to life.

 

Having been to Ron Fellows driving school both times the temp was 107 to 110 and none of the cars were having any steering issues. I would have a problem if they shut down over 100 degrees which none of the them did while we were there just sayin

 

This is really scary, I read that similar issues has happened at high speed with the new Camaro ZL1, Corvette Z06 and also with prior generation Camaro and with the Chevy pickups with almost total loss of control because of a EPS failure:
​​​​​​​On Camaro6.com on the ZL1 section, look for: steering loss on the way to 122 MPH

 

If someone loses steering at high speed it shouldn't even be noticeable.

The system adds little to no assist at higher speeds.

BTW, any car with EPS produced by any manufacturer has this exact same failure mode. It is industry standard. So is the heavy manual steering.

This isn't Corvette specific, and I'm dead serious when I say if this stuff bothers you, buy older cars.

 

It actually is quite noticeable but now that I know it's happening it's not that big of a deal. The first time was a bit unsettling.

However; you've made the comment that these things happen, and you're right, but this isn't just a random issue. The cars that are affected by this fail often (6 times for me since we started the two threads on this). I have a hard time believing that if you were in charge of the department that designed/ spec'd this unit for use in this application, and the units had this level of failure, that you or the company would have approved these units for production. I think everyone knows and understands that electrical and mechanical items will break and fail but these issues are outside of the usual and acceptable parameters.

 

You keep acting like your car is affected by some mysterious design flaw. It isn't, your 6 failures are 1 failure that has happened 6 times. Should the system have locked it self out after 2 or 3 failures (and reverted to manual mode from key on), most likely (many OEM's do this right now). Will these type of "lockout" modes become more common, most definitely.

This isn't about approving them for production (which doesn't really happen anyway in the way you think about it), the design is functionally sound, you just have a bad part. So yes, I'd have no issue, bad parts happen. Customers get upset, this is life. There are people at every OEM for every part on every program who's only job is to review warranty claims with the supplier and find out what went wrong. There is probably a guy at GM right now looking into each one of these failures. Will you ever hear about it? No, and that's due to civil liability reasons. If this was a process breakdown or quality spill; the error will be noted and added to a lessons learned or best practice deck.

BTW, you should read the ISO 26262 specification if you really want to know what OEM's in an electronic sense do "approve for production" and yes, this includes approving known failures. It all depends on the exposure, controllability, and severity of the failure. Customer annoyance is also taken into account, but only up to a point. Money is not infinite, and therefore a certain level of failure is allowed (no parts are perfect). For you as the customer you don't care that your failure was a .0001% chance because it happened to you, but statistically speaking no one "cares" about failures which have that low of a probability. That's even in the ISO spec (and E0 is defined as a frequency or occurrence and it is less than .01% of the time). If a failure is E0, C3, S3, it's still rated QM and "not a concern"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_26262 has more info. I write requirements for a living, so I'm well aware of this process.

 

So are you guys still having the issue ?

Mine hasn't failed for the last 2 weeks. I did about 6 drives.
Some pretty long.

 

I'm waiting for a replacement rack to come in; as has been discussed its hard to get the parts. My car has been failing almost every day and recently its been happening more than once per day. The only identifying trait so far is that if its going to happen it occurs within the first 10-15 minutes of driving. My car is a daily driver and I live close to my office and most places I go are fairly close.

 

Mine has been working flawlessly for the ~500 miles since I had my rack and control module replaced.

 

Glad to hear it - hopefully it was just a bad batch of parts.

 

Any chance you feel like pushing on the connectors and nudging on the cables a bit that go to the ES Motor ?
Yours is a good one to play with since it consistently happens and Chevy has agreed to replace your rack anyway.

Mine seems to be working well since I did this, although I am sure I just jinxed myself. Also hard to say, since I had a good day before I did this.

One guys dealer told him it was a bad connector. I attribute a lot of intermittent problems to bad connections.

I really want to avoid replacing my rack if not necessary. the less guys working on my car the better.

 

I did that. Once this issue started creeping up it was suggested that I check the ground, connectors etc. I did check those things. This is a defective part and probably a bad batch of parts. I've been tracking it each time it happens and its always within a few moments of start up - could be as soon as I start the car or within 10 or so minutes. If it makes it past the 15 minute mark it will be fine. This week it's gotten much worse; today it happened 4 times; twice at start up and twice within a few moments of driving.

 

Thanks. Wow I cant' believe how often it happens to yours.
Hope the parts come in soon.
Dealer should have a loaner Vette for these kind of issues, but that would never happen.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/201...rs-recall.html

No mention of the Corvette though...



GM Recalling Roughly 800,000 Pickups for Steering Defect

DETROIT — General Motors Co. is recalling roughly 800,000 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 and GMC Sierra 1500 pickup trucks worldwide.

The company says the vehicles can temporarily lose electric power steering assist, especially during low-speed turns. If that happens, the driver could lose control of the steering wheel.

The recall affects trucks from the 2014 model year. Most of the vehicles were sold in the U.S., but roughly 100,000 were sold in other markets.

GM will notify owners about the recall. Dealers will update the electric power steering software for free.