Nav update
Le Mans Master
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I dunno. I think it does a pretty significant amount of stuff. They also use a common software package for all the cars, so there's a lot of stuff in the firmware that's present but not enabled for Corvette. Rear seat entertainment, towing options, hybrid energy management, etc. The speech recognition files take up a ton of space too.
Burning Brakes
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From: Senoia Ga
Hey dude, I just wanted to know what kinds of failures you got. I wasn't looking for "enough fails". Why did you assume that?
I'm sorry it failed for you. All I can say is that I've never experienced that but mapping data is subject to human error so all systems could have problems.
I'm a bit confused when you say "While using vehicles GPS, takes me past address, u-turn, states I have arrived". What is "using vehicles GPS"? Do you mean using the factory nav? I don't think can tell AA to use the vehicles GPS - I believe it always uses the phones GPS signal. Also, if "vehicle's GPS" == "factory nav" then is this an admission that the factory nav failed?
Additionally, I don't understand what you mean when you say "In this case the phone was correct". Do you mean AA/GM?
Finally "On way to basketball game downtown LA, phone GPS decides it no longer wishes to provide spoken directions. In this case vehicle GPs for the win" - you do realize that GPS and spoken directions are two totally separate and distinct things. One is talking to a bunch of satellites in the sky and the other is talking through your car's speakers. Are you sure you just didn't turn off voice?
I'm sorry it failed for you. All I can say is that I've never experienced that but mapping data is subject to human error so all systems could have problems.
I'm a bit confused when you say "While using vehicles GPS, takes me past address, u-turn, states I have arrived". What is "using vehicles GPS"? Do you mean using the factory nav? I don't think can tell AA to use the vehicles GPS - I believe it always uses the phones GPS signal. Also, if "vehicle's GPS" == "factory nav" then is this an admission that the factory nav failed?
Additionally, I don't understand what you mean when you say "In this case the phone was correct". Do you mean AA/GM?
Finally "On way to basketball game downtown LA, phone GPS decides it no longer wishes to provide spoken directions. In this case vehicle GPs for the win" - you do realize that GPS and spoken directions are two totally separate and distinct things. One is talking to a bunch of satellites in the sky and the other is talking through your car's speakers. Are you sure you just didn't turn off voice?
Safety Car
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Melting Slicks
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St. Jude Donor '13
Hey dude, I just wanted to know what kinds of failures you got. I wasn't looking for "enough fails". Why did you assume that?
I'm sorry it failed for you. All I can say is that I've never experienced that but mapping data is subject to human error so all systems could have problems.
I'm a bit confused when you say "While using vehicles GPS, takes me past address, u-turn, states I have arrived". What is "using vehicles GPS"? Do you mean using the factory nav? I don't think can tell AA to use the vehicles GPS - I believe it always uses the phones GPS signal. Also, if "vehicle's GPS" == "factory nav" then is this an admission that the factory nav failed?
Additionally, I don't understand what you mean when you say "In this case the phone was correct". Do you mean AA/GM?
Finally "On way to basketball game downtown LA, phone GPS decides it no longer wishes to provide spoken directions. In this case vehicle GPs for the win" - you do realize that GPS and spoken directions are two totally separate and distinct things. One is talking to a bunch of satellites in the sky and the other is talking through your car's speakers. Are you sure you just didn't turn off voice?
I'm sorry it failed for you. All I can say is that I've never experienced that but mapping data is subject to human error so all systems could have problems.
I'm a bit confused when you say "While using vehicles GPS, takes me past address, u-turn, states I have arrived". What is "using vehicles GPS"? Do you mean using the factory nav? I don't think can tell AA to use the vehicles GPS - I believe it always uses the phones GPS signal. Also, if "vehicle's GPS" == "factory nav" then is this an admission that the factory nav failed?
Additionally, I don't understand what you mean when you say "In this case the phone was correct". Do you mean AA/GM?
Finally "On way to basketball game downtown LA, phone GPS decides it no longer wishes to provide spoken directions. In this case vehicle GPs for the win" - you do realize that GPS and spoken directions are two totally separate and distinct things. One is talking to a bunch of satellites in the sky and the other is talking through your car's speakers. Are you sure you just didn't turn off voice?
Since the factory Nav will interface with the HUD, comes (optional) with the car, is covered by the warranty/extended warranty, and is virtually theftproof; we prefer the factory nav for our use. If there was a perfect system, everyone would be using only that one.
Pick what works best for you, but recognize that it may not be best for everyone.
Safety Car
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As I've said many times - all GPS systems perform about the same if you just look at them as navigate me from point A to point B. It's in the user interface and how you have to interact with the thing that's different and important. The factory nav UI sucks *****.
Instructor
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This would be my biggest reason for sticking to the built in NAV
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Instructor
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From: Whitman Ma
Being in the industry, I guess you can call me paranoid, but I've actually seen the capture of data used for more than just advertising (by google, amazon and microsoft) and while there is no realistic way to escape it, short of going off grid, I do try to minimize the exposure.
But, mostly I don't want to see ads at all as they will either take up valuable screen real estate or will overlay the map (Murphy says at the most inopportune time) and while I get that ads keep things "free", I'd rather pay to not have them,
Living in New England I can just imagine the Dunkin Donuts ad popping up at every street corner
But, mostly I don't want to see ads at all as they will either take up valuable screen real estate or will overlay the map (Murphy says at the most inopportune time) and while I get that ads keep things "free", I'd rather pay to not have them,
Living in New England I can just imagine the Dunkin Donuts ad popping up at every street corner
Safety Car
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Dude, I'm in the industry too - probably longer than you. It has nothing to do with the industry - you're just paranoid. You say "for more than just advertising". Really? Give us some examples of what else they're for and specifically tell me what the harm is. Real world examples would be great.
Hiding from Google or others will not stop ads from appearing. Instead, you'll just get more irrelevant ads. Ad blockers are what you want. I use them and I don't see as many ads.
But still, you're getting a ton of value by using such services. And the only downside that is known is that you'll get more targeted ads. Aside from that, as I said - ad blockers help. And we all know, regardless of how many ads they throw in your face (that get through your ad blockers) we have the right and capability to say "Thanks but no thanks". Given that I never understood the "but they know so much about you" crowds concern. Are you that weak at the knees that you can't say "No thanks"?!? If so you have other, much more important problems...
Hiding from Google or others will not stop ads from appearing. Instead, you'll just get more irrelevant ads. Ad blockers are what you want. I use them and I don't see as many ads.
But still, you're getting a ton of value by using such services. And the only downside that is known is that you'll get more targeted ads. Aside from that, as I said - ad blockers help. And we all know, regardless of how many ads they throw in your face (that get through your ad blockers) we have the right and capability to say "Thanks but no thanks". Given that I never understood the "but they know so much about you" crowds concern. Are you that weak at the knees that you can't say "No thanks"?!? If so you have other, much more important problems...
Team Owner
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St. Jude Donor '13
So for me, any nav that doesn't display on the HUD sucks *****.
Everyone gets to make their own choices.
Burning Brakes
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Just learn how to use the factory Nav and you will like it too. It isn't that hard to figure out. Here is a link to the manual. Paranoia comes in many forms, but there is no need to be afraid of this.
Safety Car
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To me, the most important interface is getting the directions from the box into my mind without taking my eyes off the road or hoping voice directions don't get drowned out by noise (top off/windows open/etc).
So for me, any nav that doesn't display on the HUD sucks *****.
So for me, any nav that doesn't display on the HUD sucks *****.
Truth be told, while turn by turn in the HUD is nice, a quick glance at the center console for upcoming turns it not difficult nor really that distracting. I will sometimes run under factory nav to see the HUD thing. It's nice, but not really essential.
Everyone gets to make their own choices.
Burning Brakes
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From: Corona CA
Hey dude, I just wanted to know what kinds of failures you got. I wasn't looking for "enough fails". Why did you assume that?
I'm a bit confused when you say "While using vehicles GPS, takes me past address, u-turn, states I have arrived". What is "using vehicles GPS"? Do you mean using the factory nav? I don't think can tell AA to use the vehicles GPS - I believe it always uses the phones GPS signal. Also, if "vehicle's GPS" == "factory nav" then is this an admission that the factory nav failed?
Additionally, I don't understand what you mean when you say "In this case the phone was correct". Do you mean AA/GM?
Finally "On way to basketball game downtown LA, phone GPS decides it no longer wishes to provide spoken directions. In this case vehicle GPs for the win" - you do realize that GPS and spoken directions are two totally separate and distinct things. One is talking to a bunch of satellites in the sky and the other is talking through your car's speakers. Are you sure you just didn't turn off voice?
So after this long reply, I stand by my practice of using a two nav devices for redundancy.
Last edited by vettenevodrvr; Apr 15, 2019 at 10:47 PM.
Safety Car
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You most definitely directed your comment to me out by quoting me where I asked "How exactly did they "fail" you?" and gave 3 failures and then said, "Is that enough for you?". And I never said you "singled me out". Maybe you should read more carefully...
That's what I was commenting on. I've never had it suddenly stop giving voice direction unless I specifically and deliberately went in and say "Stop giving voice directions". Why it somehow happened to you is a mystery.
Turning off voice directions means setting it to either alert only mode or mute mode - not rebooting a phone!
The phone quit providing spoken directions, for whatever reason, which is a fail in my book.
I "turned it off" by rebooting it, which corrected the issue.
Last edited by defaria; Apr 16, 2019 at 02:27 AM.
Racer
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thanks
Melting Slicks
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St. Jude Donor '15-'16
I see at the GM site I can order the 'update' for my 15 for $99. Reading your response can one assume it is an easy update? plug and play so to speak? Meaning one does not have to have the GM tech do the install/update. We, the car owner can do the update ourselves?
thanks
thanks
Safety Car
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No, not worth it. For several reasons. Many other options to use nav ie. google, apple. Also, the updates don't really add enough new info to be worth it.