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[QUOTE=Loki 6;1602423069]Hi Jack,
I'm not sure you realize this but you can still "wax" your car with a ceramic coating on it.
Yes, traditional carnauba waxes are a no no for SiO2 coated cars, but there is a product from PolishAngel that is in wax form that is made of SiO2 and TiO2 that you can apply just as you would a paste wax. It's called Polish Angel HighGloss paste wax. I use this product in it's bottle/spray form but our @BudgetPlan1 can fill you in on the wax version.
I got some of the spray version, pricey but my oh my does it produce a shine!!!!!!
Yes, do ceramic. The most labor and time intensive part of it has been done with the paint correction. Second place would be a quality sealant. Blackfire worked great for me before I started using ceramic. After ceramic you should change up your washing procedure. Neutral ph soap. And a topper every couple months. Polish Angel is nice.
So with all the positive reviews and info provided I'm going to ceramic coat the car. I'm looking at various products and hope to get it done this weekend.
Thank you to all who responded and for all the great information you gave.
This is a great forum and resource/knowledge base for all owners.
Which one lasts longer Ceramic or PPF? And how do you know when it is time to have it reapplied and what is the process? Do you have to strip it off down to the clear coat and start all over?
Loki, Will you share publicly/private what Your Installer
Charged to Apply the MODERNA to your C7 (Body)
Sure thing Chuck...
First off, it's Modesta , not Moderna - you've got that big beautiful vaccine on your mind! (me too)
Secondly, as you may know, total installation cost is made of two components, the price to install the coating itself which is pretty much static and the paint correction charges which are different for each vehicle. Therefore it is impossible to quote an entire job without seeing a car. So if you are after what I paid to aid in a comparison price for another car , it's almost irrelevant since both cars will likely require different levels of paint correction AND prices vary per city and state. Example - a fancy shop here in Miami can likely get more for a job than someplace in Lexington, Kentucky
All that being said, for the US market, Modesta usually costs anywhere from $1,500 - $1800 for BC-5 which is the compound I have. Those costs do not reflect paint correction changes.
For DIY I'd say use crystal serum lite for sure, excellent stuff and very forgiving. Watch YouTube vids first, take your time prepping the car fully and carefully, then later down the line as a booster/maintainer I'd use either carpro reload or ammonyc reboot.
So, I had my new 19 paint corrected, as there was a little bit of orange peel from the factory. The people who did it tried really hard to sell me their special creamic coating. Blew a bunch of smoke up my butt, but I wasn't biting.
Normally, I just wax 'em, but ceramic has me interested enough to ask. I tend to want to DiY.
Ceramic coatings - YES or NO
Read a few reviews.
The Last Coat seems to popular
Zaino Z8 seems ok
Any of you have opinions?
I was a Zaino guy w occasional forays into wax for many years w our C5 and was pretty happy...and then I ran across ceramics in early 2016. 4 years and 25+ different coatings later (all of which were good, never really used a bad one) I've found my preferred coating that meets *my* particular needs. Some coatings may do 'this' a little better, some may have a slight edge in 'that' aspect but for the way I like my cars to look, the way I use them and how I prefer to maintain them, ceramic coatings work best for me.
Wax, sealants, coatings...all comes down to personal preferences and needs for the most part.
Originally Posted by Vetteman Jack
Ceramic coating certianly has its benefits. I do not have it on mine as I really do enjoy waxing the car. But since you have done the paint correction, it woud be the best time to have the ceramic coating applied if you are seriously considering it.
As mentioned, there are waxes out there that work in concert w coatings. Kamikaze Infinity Wax and Polish Angel High Gloss Paste are 2 I've used and enjoyed on coated cars, mostly just to enjoy the waxing process in a way that plays well with the base coatings and adds a little something extra to the overall appeal, visually as well as performance. It is fun to wax a car now and then...if you want to.
Originally Posted by orrwhat
Graphene coating is the new best thing for coatings.
IMO, waaaaay to early to make that assumption. I had an pro grade graphene coating on my daily driver for 14 months and 16k miles and I'm back to ceramics, notes kept here: https://budgetplan1.wordpress.com/sps-graphene-coating/
Was a very nice product overall but just just didnt quite meet my needs as well as my favorite ceramics and most of its performance likely had little to do with the small amount of graphene in it. I have another graphene coating on the hood, roof and trunk of my car now but don't really expect anything earth-shattering from it: https://budgetplan1.wordpress.com/et...atrix-coating/
Guess ya never know though so curiosity compelled me to try
I just think the technology isn't there yet to produce a meaningful graphene coating with any true graphene-related benefits.
Originally Posted by jwt1603
Which one lasts longer Ceramic or PPF? And how do you know when it is time to have it reapplied and what is the process? Do you have to strip it off down to the clear coat and start all over?
PPF is generally a longer lasting deal in that it's an actual film (8mil usually) applied to the bare paint, which can also then be ceramic coated for a little more (but different) protection. PPF helps prevent/reduce impact-instilled defects (stuff that causes rock chips, road rash and such) and ceramic excels at resisting/protecting environmental incidents while providing some self-cleaning effects which make maintenance easier.
We currently have 1 car done with PPF + Coating and 3 with coatings, which will hopefully end up being 2 w PPF + Ceramic and 2 with coatings by Spring. One of our toy cars is driven in a manner/situation where PPF is a perfect fit so plan to have it wrapped completely in PPF + Coating.
Like most things, each approach has its pros and cons, no single best solution that covers *everything* in all cases without some allowances for the reality of driving a car on public roads.
PPF is generally warranted for 10 years against peeling and discoloration but not tears and other wounds from road use. It can be some tough stuff but you take a cinder block off of a bridge on your hood, its gonna leave a mark and the PPF will need to replaced. Usually I believe they steam it off to replace the damaged piece with little issue. But in the case of the cinder block, its gonna go thru the PPF and doink the paint as well.
I'm having it done on the car this Spring because I drive it a lot for fun and it's starting to pick up chips from small pebbles and such that gets kicked up on any road/freeway...that's where PPF excels for me.
Originally Posted by EBvette02
I got ceramic coating this week. Looks so much better than new. The car just pops.
I strongly recommend it.
😄 I just landed in this thread after following you from the CarCare section. That color looks amazing, thought maybe in one of your posts somewhere you mentioned the color but since we're here...is that Long Beach Red? Beautiful!
Edit: I guess I have my answer! Nicely done. We were pondering LBRM for our 2019 C7 but couldn't find one to see in person before ordering so we went with our 'ol standby Black. I'm a dummy 😄
Last edited by BudgetPlan1; Oct 30, 2020 at 09:43 PM.
don’t try this......you can thank me later. Try the Griots 3 in 1 ceramic coating. Simple to apply and results are stunning....but again it’s not a true ceramic coating.
PPF saved my paint from being scratched by a four-feet long, plastic, garage light cover falling from ceiling. Also, on our trip to TOTD, protected my front bumper from a rock large enough to gouge PPF. Ceramic coating has been icing on the cake. In all my years of owning, detailing, and driving everything from sports cars to sedans to *cough* minivans to SUVS to pickup trucks, this product is so amazing I wonder: “Where have you been my whole life?!” For me, it has been worth the cost. Just make sure you choose a qualified installer.
Call me crazy but I not only enjoy driving my 2019 Grand Sport but I love to detail her as well. After hand washing her I hand paste wax her using McKees 37 trademark wax, then use Mckees High gloss detailer then finish with Adams polish Slick and slide. As far as I can see there isnt a ceramic coating that beats how my GS looks and I love doing it
Call me crazy but I not only enjoy driving my 2019 Grand Sport but I love to detail her as well. After hand washing her I hand paste wax her using McKees 37 trademark wax, then use Mckees High gloss detailer then finish with Adams polish Slick and slide. As far as I can see there isnt a ceramic coating that beats how my GS looks and I love doing it
You haven't looked hard enough. Check out Loki6's ride. Ceramics are superior to any paste wax. There are professional forensic detailers that use expensive electronic sensors that can measure and quantify levels of paint gloss that were covered with many coatings including ceramics, sealants, and waxes. Guess what comes out on top of them all?
