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Old Nov 9, 2020 | 06:28 PM
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Can I run non ethanol gas in my 2019 grand sport without doing damage to my cats
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Old Nov 9, 2020 | 06:32 PM
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Ethanol free gasoline? Absolutely.
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Yes you can, you might notice some increase in MPG as well.
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My ‘19 GS now has 2400 miles..... it has never sniffed ethanol. It will surely happen on a trip next summer, but around here it’s easy to avoid ethanol. All the Phillips 66 and Velero stations have two grades of pure gasoline.
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Of course you can run non-ethanol gas in your car. It will run just fine.
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Just don't do any pulls, no track, no mountain climbs, or WOT and you should be OK. Cats are not the issue, engine knock is.

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Originally Posted by MMD
Just don't do any pulls, no track, no mountain climbs, or WOT and you should be OK. Cats are not the issue, engine knock is.
Why would that be? Is the theory that 10% ethanol 93 is higher octane than 100% gasoline 93 octane?
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Old Nov 10, 2020 | 01:43 AM
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Can I run non ethanol gas in my 2019 grand sport without doing damage to my cats
Yes, but it's going to cost you more $. Around here, ethanol free is .42 cents more per gallon.
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Non ethanol fuel is fine, just make sure you use premium octane fuel
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Why would that be? Is the theory that 10% ethanol 93 is higher octane than 100% gasoline 93 octane?

Great question. Answer no. In my area of the country (Virginia) there are no fuel stations that have non-Ethanol fuel higher than 89 octane. I might have been too quick to assume there is none available anywhere across America. If you can find non-Ethanol fuel in your location with a 93 octane then disregard my comment. Do you actually have 93 octane non-Ethanol where you are? That would be great.

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I've never seen non-ethanol higher than 91 where I live. I'd rather use 93 with ethanol.
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I have two local Cenex stations near me that are Top Tier and have 93 Octane Ethanol Free.
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Originally Posted by MMD
Just don't do any pulls, no track, no mountain climbs, or WOT and you should be OK. Cats are not the issue, engine knock is.
He means E0, not 87 octane.


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There is NO issue running non-ethanol fuel, including "pulls, track, mountain climbs, and WOT," as long as it meets/exceeds minimum octane requirements. Non-ethanol or so-called pure gas is more efficient and is safer to use if/when storing a vehicle (e.g., through the winter), but usually costs more than ethanol content alternatives. All other things being equal, my butt-dyno says it even performs better.

Top Tier is a detergency rating, developed by automakers in 2004, that's independent from octane/preformance rating and unrelated to the OP's original question.


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Originally Posted by vader86
He means E0, not 87 octane.
You mean non-Ethanol fuel, which has "0" percent Ethanol added. Never heard anyone call it E0. I was talking about non-Ethanol based fuel. His concern was meeting the proper octane requirement if he decided to use a non-Ethanol based fuel. That's my take. In addition no pulls, no track, no mountain climbs, and no WOT, if you do not meet the minimum octane requirement of your C7 as I had posted in earlier posts. Everything else being equal you should experience a 10% gain in fuel mileage as 1 gallon of Ethanol based fuel has a lower energy content than does 1 gallon on non-Ethanol based fuel.

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Its called E0 or Sugar Free gasoline here, don't know why you'd have never heard of E0.

There is no mention in the OP about meeting proper octane requirement, therefore the assumption is that he's using the same octane level no matter what ethanol content.

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Originally Posted by NortonCO
There is NO issue running non-ethanol fuel, including "pulls, track, mountain climbs, and WOT," as long as it meets/exceeds minimum octane requirements. Non-ethanol or so-called pure gas is more efficient and is safer to use if/when storing a vehicle (e.g., through the winter), but usually costs more than ethanol content alternatives. All other things being equal, my butt-dyno says it even performs better.

Top Tier is a detergency rating, developed by automakers in 2004, that's independent from octane/preformance rating and unrelated to the OP's original question.
It would be better to use a Top Tier non-Ethanol based fuel than it would be to use a non Top Tier non-Ethanol fuel if both fuels had similar octane ratings. OP expressed a concern about his cats so the mention of using a Top Tier, non-Ethanol based, fuel was a very good suggestion and relevant to the OP's concerns. Also, Top-Tier fuel is more than a detergency rating whatever that is. There are 14 different Top Tier fuels in the USA but we'll save that discussion for another thread though. Finally, non-Ethanol based fuels are not more efficient as you had mentioned. They have a higher energy content for a given volume of fuel than does Ethanol based fuels. This will result in improving a vehicle's fuel mileage.
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Its called E0 or Sugar Free gasoline here, don't know why you'd have never heard of E0.

There is no mention in the OP about meeting proper octane requirement, therefore the assumption is that he's using the same octane level no matter what ethanol content.
Not many areas of the country have 93 octane, non-Ethanol based fuel. Your assumption is wrong. You can call non-Ethanol based fuel anything you wish. What you call E0 is Ethanol free gasoline.
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Not many areas of the country have 93 octane, non-Ethanol based fuel. Your assumption is wrong. You can call non-Ethanol based fuel anything you wish. What you call E0 is Ethanol free gasoline.
3,550 feet altitude where I live. Only two stations have non ethanol gas, and it’s 86 octane. Highest octane you can buy, other than race gas is 91 octane. Most stations actually only have 90 as the highest.
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Originally Posted by MMD
Not many areas of the country have 93 octane, non-Ethanol based fuel. Your assumption is wrong. You can call non-Ethanol based fuel anything you wish. What you call E0 is Ethanol free gasoline.
No not many areas have Sugar free 91 or 93.

My assumption is that the OP is using 91 or 93 octane, which is premium, he hasn't stated otherwise. That is what is in the manual. Of course at altitude premium octane levels can drop, like in Colorado. That assumption that he's using what is in the manual is correct until he says otherwise, his question did not specify anything about octane.

Non-ethanol based = E0 = Pure Gas = Sugar free.

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