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Old Mar 3, 2026 | 07:53 PM
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hi guys getting ready to do oil and filter on my 2016 base vette and getting alot of different part numbers (ie 5-30 syn oil then 5-30 dexos mobil 1 then 0-40 mobil 1 dexos 2 then oil filter pf 64 then delco upf64R)
What Mobil oil is being used? thx
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There have sure been a lot of threads on this topic since 0W40 appeared. Many posts argue that unless you are a seriously hard core track person (who will use 15W50 or even heavier), continued use of 5W30 is dumb even for drivers who are 100% street and whose oil thus essentially never gets above the lower middle 200’s. A few of those “5W30 is dumb” posts will acknowledge that if you run all the way to the oil life monitor limit before changing oil, using 0W40 introduces risk of VI improver breakdown. But they dismiss that by saying practically no Vette drivers run that long between oil changes. Color me dumb, because once out of warranty, being a 100% street driver with no short trip bad habits, I run 5W30 full synthetic using old fashioned personal limits of 12,000 miles or 18 months, ignoring the calendar time limits of current monitors. And I do so having spent a career in the oil industry with access to a ton of actual oil testing in real automobile engines run in long duration testing (which I unfortunately cannot share with you beyond my summarized posts is this and other forums).

A quick review of the VI improver problem is to remember the octopus analogy. VI improver molecules work by having long tentacles that wrap around their central body at lower temps, but unfurl and stick straight out as temp increases. When the arms stick straight out, they interfere with flow of base oil molecules, just like you would if you stuck your arms out while walking through a crowd of people. That flow interference counteracts the tendency of the base oil itself to thin out as temp increases. Trouble is, the VI improver arms can shear off, and when that happens, the effective upper number in the oil’s weight can degrade to about 25 higher than the W number, or 0W25 for the 0W40 oil.

There’s one more potential problem with VI improvers that I’ve never expressed on this forum before now. I’ll admit up front that the effect is almost certainly very small even if it exists, and I have no data to prove it exists at all. But since so many people cite such flimsy evidence to argue for wide spread oil with VI improvers, I figure I should be able to offer some flimsy thoughts to be against it. Remember the prior paragraph that VI improvers work by flow interference of a few molecules, not by magically improving the base oil molecules themselves. A wide spread oil might have 5% VI improver molecules. So 19 out of 20 molecules are the same old 25 spread molecules as they always were, while 1 out of 20 molecules is an octopus with arms sticking out and interfering with free flow and passage of the other 19 molecules. My intuition thinks that can’t be as effective as a lubricant as it would be if all 20 of the base oil molecules had been changed by a little bit. Or said another way, to achieve a certain viscosity, are 19 molecules of viscosity “A” plus 1 molecule of ultra high viscosity just as good a lubricant as 20 molecules of viscosity “A plus a little bit”? I have to believe that answer is no. Maybe the difference isn’t big, but I can’t believe it’s zero. And that, along with the much bigger and proven disadvantage of the VI improver shear problem, is why no oil with a spread greater than 25 will ever go into one of my cars until or unless somebody figures out how to make base oil with greater than 25 spread (or unless I started doing some track work, thus legitimately needing the wider spread, and was willing to change it much more often than my current personal guidelines stated earlier).

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Originally Posted by ball-z
hi guys getting ready to do oil and filter on my 2016 base vette and getting alot of different part numbers (ie 5-30 syn oil then 5-30 dexos mobil 1 then 0-40 mobil 1 dexos 2 then oil filter pf 64 then delco upf64R)
What Mobil oil is being used? thx
I called the parts department at the Chevy dealership where I have my warranty on my 2016 stingray Z51 and I asked them what kind of oil to use and they said Mobil 1 5W 30, Dexos1, Gen. 2 or 3. That is because I do not track the car and I never drive crazy. Others on the forum who track their car probably use Mobil 1 15W-50.

Many Corvette owners also like Mobil 1 ESP 0W-40 as an upgrade option and as a middle ground between the other two oils, especially if they do a lot of spirited driving.





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I will be request M1 Supercar 0W-40 for my next oil change at the dealer soon.
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Originally Posted by Photomania

I use that oil as well as a PF64 oil filter.
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Yes, I also use the ACDelco PF64 filter.

Interesting that the same filter is used on many GM vehicles with V6 and 4-cylinder engines, some with just 1.2 and 1.4 liter engines.



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The most current GM recommendation for all of the LT1 engines, for all conditions, is the Mobil 1 0W-40 Supercar oil. Dexos R is the updated oil for high performance engines, NOT dexos 1 or 2. NOT what's in the outdated manuals. And what ever you do, do not use the UPF64R! But, you will have to spend a few more dollars for the correct oil,,

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Originally Posted by kodpkd
The most current GM recommendation for all of the LT1 engines, for all conditions, is the Mobil 1 0W-40 Supercar oil. NOT what's in the outdated manuals. And what ever you do, do not use the UPF64R! But, you will have to spend a few more dollars for the correct oil,,
0w40 is also suggested on the Mobil 1 site: https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/...ecommended-oil

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5W-30 for my '14. The oil spread of 40 on a 0W40 is too much in my opinion. The Motor Oil Geek on Youtube is a tribologist and he has enough evidence to convince me of this
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Originally Posted by kodpkd
The most current GM recommendation for all of the LT1 engines, for all conditions, is the Mobil 1 0W-40 Supercar oil. Dexos R is the updated oil for high performance engines, NOT dexos 1 or 2. NOT what's in the outdated manuals. And what ever you do, do not use the UPF64R! But, you will have to spend a few more dollars for the correct oil,,
My Service Writer that new all about the Triple Tranny Flush, the Magnetic Ride Update, and the question if my 2016 could have the Android Auto downloaded, when other Dealerships had never heard of the process, charges less, told me that GM was recommending switch to 0W'40.

I have a Z51, like to drive fast on twisty roads, and have a GMPP Platinum Extended Warranty. I figured it was not worth taking a chance to save a few bucks.
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Here is the GM bulletin concerning the use of 0W-40 oil in the 2019 and pre-2019 C7. You may decide the definition of the word "can" and choose to use either 5W-30 or 0W-40 in your pre-2019 C7.
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Originally Posted by MissileDoc
Here is the GM bulletin concerning the use of 0W-40 oil in the 2019 and pre-2019 C7. You may decide the definition of the word "can" and choose to use either 5W-30 or 0W-40 in your pre-2019 C7.
That's all I need to know, right from GM themselves. 0w40 will be used for my next oil change in the 2016.
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thanks for all the responses going with 0-40 and pf64
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5W-30 for my '14. The oil spread of 40 on a 0W40 is too much in my opinion. The Motor Oil Geek on Youtube is a tribologist and he has enough evidence to convince me of this
This oil spread BS is all about oil changes up to 8000 miles or higher. If you are like the rest of us, you would change oil at the 4000ish miles. Then this becomes totally insignificant. It isn't a secret the LT1 engine has had issues. A bit higher oil thickness helps.

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If you are like the rest of us, you would change oil at the 4000ish miles.

Huh? I change it when the OLM says it’s time, not by some arbitrary mileage number.
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Good info: From the "oil Geek guy"

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The OLM can have you go up to 7500 miles or 1 year, which ever if first.
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His voice is annoying like Mikey Waltrip. I'm sure he means well but near the end he says that these new 0-W super oils are mainly meant for improved fuel mileage and the ability to cold start engines at -35*F? without possible bearing damage? Driving a Corvette and concerned about fuel mileage is funny.

GM tech bulletins are usually BS and nonsense to be a band aid on a problem the bean counters created from the start. If the current GM bulletins are anything like the transmission bulletins I used to get directly from a GM training center 2 miles from my shop they are worthless. I don't recall 1, not 1 GM tech bulletin that actually addressed and FIXED problems with any GM Hy-dramatic transmission or transaxle from the 80's, 90's or 2000's we and many shops were having issues with. It was always the aftermarket transmission industry that actually designed CURES for problems GM had supposed bulletins for.

I thought the 0-40 oil was for guys that tracked their car so they didn't have to keep changing from 15-40 back to street oil 5-30 after an event? So is 5-30 bad stuff for most folks like me that use our Vettes for cruising around in nice weather? I don't think so.
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I thought the 0-40 oil was for guys that tracked their car so they didn't have to keep changing from 15-40 back to street oil 5-30 after an event? So is 5-30 bad stuff for most folks like me that use our Vettes for cruising around in nice weather? I don't think so.

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[QUOTE=J.Moore;
I thought the 0-40 oil was for guys that tracked their car so they didn't have to keep changing from 15-40 back to street oil 5-30 after an event? So is 5-30 bad stuff for most folks like me that use our Vettes for cruising around in nice weather? I don't think so.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this statement.
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