Dyno Tuned
Drifting
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GM has so much power on the table yet to be cracked on the C7, makes me think they are going to do stage kits from factory... Simple stage one could be a upgraded air filter, and ECU flash with a new tune... Charge $1,200 and it ups the power by 30whp/wtq+... People will be scratching at the door of their local Chevy dealer
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GM has so much power on the table yet to be cracked on the C7, makes me think they are going to do stage kits from factory... Simple stage one could be a upgraded air filter, and ECU flash with a new tune... Charge $1,200 and it ups the power by 30whp/wtq+... People will be scratching at the door of their local Chevy dealer
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As I said before if your focus is way off then the final product will also be way off. Shipping the car with a factory calibration that allows for the 1% of owners who will put 87 octane in the car and drive it hard severely compromises the car for the other 99% who aren't idiots. But that seems to be what happened here due to the power gains from a tuned bone stock car. Perhaps they de-tuned the C7 due to possible reliability concerns with the LT1 so who knows?
Either way 460hp was a joke right out of the gate
Either way 460hp was a joke right out of the gate
GM has so much power on the table yet to be cracked on the C7, makes me think they are going to do stage kits from factory... Simple stage one could be a upgraded air filter, and ECU flash with a new tune... Charge $1,200 and it ups the power by 30whp/wtq+... People will be scratching at the door of their local Chevy dealer
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I guess the geniuses with millions of dollars and all the PHd's couldn't figure out what the aftermarket hacks playing on dynos will in the next few months
With all due respect, don't underestimate the ability of all of the aftermarkets tuning capabilities as there are former GM, Chrysler and Ford engineers that now work at several of the well known Performance Shops.
It's my opinion that the car should be tuned individually based on
octane, climate, how the cars being used, the customers expectations as well as several other parameters.
Not at all trying to take away from the knowledge and skill of GM calibration engineers as I am sure they know their stuff.
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I guess the geniuses with millions of dollars and all the PHd's couldn't figure out what the aftermarket hacks playing on dynos will in the next few months
With all due respect, don't underestimate the ability of all of the aftermarkets tuning capabilities as there are former GM, Chrysler and Ford engineers that now work at several of the well known Performance Shops.
It's my opinion that the car should be tuned individually based on
octane, climate, how the cars being used, the customers expectations as well as several other parameters.
Not at all trying to take away from the knowledge and skill of GM calibration engineers as I am sure they know their stuff.
Best Regards,
John Page
Twenty First Century Muscle Cars
www.21stcentruymusclecars.com
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Base line tune compared to 21CMC tune, both done same day, same dyno and same fuel.....
Stock>>>>>> 21CMC tune
RWHP 398.7>>> 430.3
RWTQ 391.7>>> 427.0
The tuned graph was even done in 6 degree higher heat
Tremendous gains over entire power band!
We will have mail order tunes available soon!
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John Page
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Stock>>>>>> 21CMC tune
RWHP 398.7>>> 430.3
RWTQ 391.7>>> 427.0
The tuned graph was even done in 6 degree higher heat
Tremendous gains over entire power band!
We will have mail order tunes available soon!
Best Regards,
John Page
Twenty First Century Muscle Cars
www.21stcenturymusclecars.com
We have our own tune coming with our new intake, but using the stock intake you have achieved the best numbers I have seen so far. Good luck on your future ideas.
Are you leaving the TM for the tranny in this tune? Our C7 is an A6 as well.
My thread back in January touted the GDI system, and I claimed that the LT1 should be around 500+ HP from the factory. Based on the huge gains from your tuning, and LGM's headers, it is apparent that I was pretty close in my estimated hp numbers. 430/.85= 505 HP (LS7 territory)
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St. Jude Donor '05
I can't wait to get a tune and a CAI... I imagine about 40-45whp and close to matching tq with this combo
HALLTECH:
How long till CAIs will be shipping?
HALLTECH:
How long till CAIs will be shipping?
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St. Jude Donor '09
[QUOTE=Z0Sick6;1585166764]I can't wait to get a tune and a CAI... I imagine about 40-45whp and close to matching tq with this combo
HALLTECH:
Take your questions to our thread. I don't want to highjack John's great work.
HALLTECH:
Take your questions to our thread. I don't want to highjack John's great work.
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Threads crop up all the time about owners who only put 87 octane in their cars, so I think your 1% figure is quite a bit off. I'm with you, 93 octane all the way, but GM can't rely on all their customers doing that. GM can't rely on all their customers that get into a jam and fill with sub premium due to availability to drive reasonably until they are through with the "bad" gas, either. They need to make their tunes safe for extreme conditions.
They did it with the 2.0L LNF turbo DI motor, a factory stage kit including a tune and a few other components allowed the engine to go from 260/260 to 290/340 and retain factory warranty. If I remember correctly it was ~ 500 dollars, too. Granted the turbo helps a lot with being able to increase power with tuning.
They did it with the 2.0L LNF turbo DI motor, a factory stage kit including a tune and a few other components allowed the engine to go from 260/260 to 290/340 and retain factory warranty. If I remember correctly it was ~ 500 dollars, too. Granted the turbo helps a lot with being able to increase power with tuning.
Same goes with the gasoline octane. In the 2104 C7 owners manual it states that you have to use 91 or higher octane gasoline, and if you use lower octane gas and you screw up your engine, they won't fix it on their dime.
Pretty clear what GM requires you to run in your car, both oil and gasoline, and the ramifications if you choose not to.
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John that is fantastic! Very nice numbers from an automatic. I assume you are using HP Tuners?
We have our own tune coming with our new intake, but using the stock intake you have achieved the best numbers I have seen so far. Good luck on your future ideas.
Are you leaving the TM for the tranny in this tune? Our C7 is an A6 as well.
My thread back in January touted the GDI system, and I claimed that the LT1 should be around 500+ HP from the factory. Based on the huge gains from your tuning, and LGM's headers, it is apparent that I was pretty close in my estimated hp numbers. 430/.85= 505 HP (LS7 territory)
Jim Hall
We have our own tune coming with our new intake, but using the stock intake you have achieved the best numbers I have seen so far. Good luck on your future ideas.
Are you leaving the TM for the tranny in this tune? Our C7 is an A6 as well.
My thread back in January touted the GDI system, and I claimed that the LT1 should be around 500+ HP from the factory. Based on the huge gains from your tuning, and LGM's headers, it is apparent that I was pretty close in my estimated hp numbers. 430/.85= 505 HP (LS7 territory)
Jim Hall
This is a manual car, not sure how these other guys are getting 420-430s stock, must be that cool, dry Florida air
J.P.