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Old Nov 20, 2013 | 10:39 AM
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Does anyone know if anyone is developing 3.90 or 4.11 rear gears?
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Don't know, but after my experience with them on my C6 (4.11s), I would never buy that ratio again - they just wear way too fast, and especially at higher torque levels. Mine were shot-peened and cryo'd too. The pinion just becomes too small. Highest I would go to expect at least decent longevity (more than the 14K miles I got) would be 3.73.
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i think 3.73 and 3.90 will have the same pinion and ring size as the stock 3.42 unlike the 4.11. could be also why the 1LE camaro comes with 3.90s...thanks for the feedback.
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Don't know, but after my experience with them on my C6 (4.11s), I would never buy that ratio again - they just wear way too fast, and especially at higher torque levels. Mine were shot-peened and cryo'd too. The pinion just becomes too small. Highest I would go to expect at least decent longevity (more than the 14K miles I got) would be 3.73.
Curious who set them up? I've got over 20k miles on 4.10s, granted that was two different sets as I broke a trans output shaft at the track that took out the diff case.
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Curious who set them up? I've got over 20k miles on 4.10s, granted that was two different sets as I broke a trans output shaft at the track that took out the diff case.
Can you confirm that they were a different size than the stock gears? I know in the fbody <3.90 lasted longer due to size difference.
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Originally Posted by disc0monkey
Can you confirm that they were a different size than the stock gears? I know in the fbody <3.90 lasted longer due to size difference.
I have only run 4.10s in mine, so I can't comment and the other 3.73 and 3.90s I've come in contact with were already assembled. The teeth on the 4.10s are slightly weaker because there are more of them if that is what you mean, but they have been a 1.3 60' in a C6 which the gears are the same in the C5. I would contact RPM or RKT56 for a definitive answer though.

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We have a C7 differential here at the shop. We should be able to tear it down tomorrow and see if the gears are interchangable with the C5/C6 units. I would be willing to bank on them being different now that Tremec is making the differentials instead of Getrag.
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Originally Posted by Jeremy@RPMTransmissions
We have a C7 differential here at the shop. We should be able to tear it down tomorrow and see if the gears are interchangable with the C5/C6 units. I would be willing to bank on them being different now that Tremec is making the differentials instead of Getrag.
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Would be interested in your opinion of " the pinion just gets too small" and therefore becomes a durability problem with 4:10 gears. In other words do 4:10 gears have a shorter life span then higher gears assuming quality set-up, etc.?

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Originally Posted by PRE-Z06
Curious who set them up? I've got over 20k miles on 4.10s, granted that was two different sets as I broke a trans output shaft at the track that took out the diff case.
My set was from Unitrax, and they ran great until they didn't. They were quiet right up until the pinion finally wore out, so I'm confident they were correctly set-up. According to the shop that replaced them (RPM in Santa Clarita), once the pinion went through the hardened outer layer, it was game over.

To be fair, the car puts down 480-490 to the wheels, and I have a heavy foot, shall we say. Lots of those miles were canyon carving and HPDE.

My purpose for posting this in the C7 section is that the LT1 is putting out very similar torque to what my modded motor was running, and there is another 50ftlb on tap as we have seen from just headers and a tune. That is LS7 territory and I don't think 4.10s will live long under those conditions. I was under the impression 3.73 was the highest ratio that does not require a smaller pinion, but I may be wrong there...

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Would be interested in your opinion of " the pinion just gets too small" and therefore becomes a durability problem with 4:11 gears. In other words do 4:11 gears have a shorter life span that higher gears assuming quality set-up, etc.?
Absolutely. See my post above.
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Originally Posted by TTRotary
My set was from Unitrax, and they ran great until they didn't. They were quiet right up until the pinion finally wore out, so I'm confident they were correctly set-up. According to the shop that replaced them (RPM in Santa Clarita), once the pinion went through the hardened outer layer, it was game over.

To be fair, the car puts down 480-490 to the wheels, and I have a heavy foot, shall we say. Lots of those miles were canyon carving and HPDE.

My purpose for posting this in the C7 section is that the LT1 is putting out very similar torque to what my modded motor was running, and there is another 50ftlb on tap as we have seen from just headers and a tune. That is LS7 territory and I don't think 4.10s will live long under those conditions. I was under the impression 3.73 was the highest ratio that does not require a smaller pinion, but I may be wrong there...
FWIW I ran Motive Gears and run road courses as well as the dragstrip, auto-x, drifting and high speed runs to Mexico.
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someone had a poorly setup gear swap. I have race car with 500+ whp and 5.83s and big giant slicks...the gears are the last thing on my mind...even after many years.
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