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Old Dec 30, 2013 | 10:49 PM
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How similar is the C7 diff to previous years? Has anyone done a gear swap yet?

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Old Jan 3, 2014 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by catpat8000
How similar is the C7 diff to previous years? Has anyone done a gear swap yet?

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Bump! Great question. I'd like to change mine out for the same rear they put in the Z51 if possible. I hate not having limited slip and would love the taller gear.
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Old Jan 3, 2014 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Nicky43
Bump! Great question. I'd like to change mine out for the same rear they put in the Z51 if possible. I hate not having limited slip and would love the taller gear.
Your car has a limited slip differential, just not the e-LSD
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Old Jan 3, 2014 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt26
Your car has a limited slip differential, just not the e-LSD
It doesn't mention Limited Slip Differential on the Big Window Sticker that came on the car so I didn't think I had it. What is the difference between what I have and e-LSD?

Wanna laugh?
I asked my dealer why I had no Limited Slip and he called me back to say it was replaced by the Stabilitrack. LOL! Two completely different things.
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Originally Posted by Nicky43
It doesn't mention Limited Slip Differential on the Big Window Sticker that came on the car so I didn't think I had it. What is the difference between what I have and e-LSD?

Wanna laugh?
I asked my dealer why I had no Limited Slip and he called me back to say it was replaced by the Stabilitrack. LOL! Two completely different things.
Your LSD is a normal mechanical LSD.

Here is an explanation of the e-LSD

A smart electronic limited-slip differential (eLSD) is included in the Z51 Performance Package and continuously makes the most of the torque split between the rear wheels. The system features a hydraulically actuated clutch that can infinitely vary clutch engagement and can respond from open to full engagement in tenths of a second. It shifts torque based on a unique algorithm which factors in vehicle speed, steering input and throttle position to improve steering feel, handling balance and traction.

The eLSD is fully integrated with StabiliTrak and Performance Traction Management systems. Its calibrations vary among three modes, based on the Drive Mode Selector setting:

Mode 1 is the default setting for normal driving and emphasizes vehicle stability
Mode 2 is engaged when electronic stability control is turned off in the Sport or Track Driver Modes. This calibration enables more nimble turn-in and traction while accelerating out of a corner
Mode 3 is automatically selected when Performance Traction Management is engaged. This calibration has the same function as Mode 2, but is fine-tuned to work with Performance Traction Management.
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Old Jan 3, 2014 | 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt26
Your LSD is a normal mechanical LSD.

Here is an explanation of the e-LSD

A smart electronic limited-slip differential (eLSD) is included in the Z51 Performance Package and continuously makes the most of the torque split between the rear wheels. The system features a hydraulically actuated clutch that can infinitely vary clutch engagement and can respond from open to full engagement in tenths of a second. It shifts torque based on a unique algorithm which factors in vehicle speed, steering input and throttle position to improve steering feel, handling balance and traction.

The eLSD is fully integrated with StabiliTrak and Performance Traction Management systems. Its calibrations vary among three modes, based on the Drive Mode Selector setting:

Mode 1 is the default setting for normal driving and emphasizes vehicle stability
Mode 2 is engaged when electronic stability control is turned off in the Sport or Track Driver Modes. This calibration enables more nimble turn-in and traction while accelerating out of a corner
Mode 3 is automatically selected when Performance Traction Management is engaged. This calibration has the same function as Mode 2, but is fine-tuned to work with Performance Traction Management.
That sounds totally great and high tech but does it mean that it's impractical or maybe even impossible to put a 3.90 ring and pinion in the C7?

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Old Jan 3, 2014 | 11:09 PM
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The Z51 doesn't have a different rear gear ratio. The transmission is geared more steeply in 1-3 and 5th. The base car, as mentioned above, still has a traditional limited slip. The eLSD just adds control of the actuation of it all... think of it like variable cam timing vs. picking a fixed cam profile.
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Old Jan 4, 2014 | 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Tool Hoarder
The Z51 doesn't have a different rear gear ratio. The transmission is geared more steeply in 1-3 and 5th. The base car, as mentioned above, still has a traditional limited slip. The eLSD just adds control of the actuation of it all... think of it like variable cam timing vs. picking a fixed cam profile.
I don't think that answers my question. I used to have a 2008 Z51 C6 with the same transmission ratios as in the C7 Z51. I installed a steeper rear gear in the C6 diff and I loved the way the car drove after that. If I buy a C7, I'm interested in knowing if I can do the same thing? It sounds like nobody has done this yet.
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I think it's going to be a colossal pain in the *** to change the Z51 gears without messing with the eLSD functionality, etc.
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Originally Posted by Tool Hoarder
The Z51 doesn't have a different rear gear ratio. The transmission is geared more steeply in 1-3 and 5th. The base car, as mentioned above, still has a traditional limited slip. The eLSD just adds control of the actuation of it all... think of it like variable cam timing vs. picking a fixed cam profile.
The auto z51 does have a different rear end gear ratio.
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Originally Posted by Matt26
The auto z51 does have a different rear end gear ratio.
Well that depends!

Base C7 manual rear ratio: 3.42
Base C7 auto rear ratio: 2.56

Z51 C7 manual rear ratio: 3.42
Z51 C7 auto rear ratio: 2.73

So only the auto car's rear ratios are different on the Z51, with the manual rear ratios being the same on both cars. The auto gear ratios are the same on both cars, but the Z5's manual gearbox ratios are all different from the ones on the base car except for 4th gear which is straight 1.00:1
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Originally Posted by catpat8000
I don't think that answers my question. I used to have a 2008 Z51 C6 with the same transmission ratios as in the C7 Z51. I installed a steeper rear gear in the C6 diff and I loved the way the car drove after that. If I buy a C7, I'm interested in knowing if I can do the same thing? It sounds like nobody has done this yet.
RPM Transmissions (forum vendor) knows the answer to your question if anyone does.
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Originally Posted by Tool Hoarder
The Z51 doesn't have a different rear gear ratio. The transmission is geared more steeply in 1-3 and 5th. The base car, as mentioned above, still has a traditional limited slip. The eLSD just adds control of the actuation of it all... think of it like variable cam timing vs. picking a fixed cam profile.
Just for clarification 5th is actually taller on the z51 vs base M7 trans, 6/7 are steeper along with 1-3...
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com.../photo_02.html
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Old Jan 4, 2014 | 12:03 PM
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If RPM does not have any answers you can check with DTE.

I think the M7 does come in two versions: base & Z51. The Z51 should have performance ratios just as the C6 generation
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Originally Posted by PRE-Z06
Just for clarification 5th is actually taller on the z51 vs base M7 trans, 6/7 are steeper along with 1-3...
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com.../photo_02.html
I just typed too slow
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