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Old May 27, 2014 | 10:49 AM
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I have a good customer who is drag racing his new C7, Auto, Z51 Coupe. This past weekend was his first at racing the new C7.
He has asked for our assistance in changing the shift points. He told me that he was hitting the rev limiter before the automatic shifted to the next gear. He doesn't want to use the paddle shifter. Any suggestions from any of you?
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Old May 27, 2014 | 11:11 AM
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Most likely not hitting the rev limiter. although it sounds like it.

GM is using fuel cut to let the trans shift faster, and make it live longer. You can tune it out but its not going to make a huge difference in 1/4 mile times just by shutting that off. But if you do actually raise the shift points/limiter that may help some, going to take some experimenting. At the risk of blowing his warranty of course.
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Old May 27, 2014 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Ken Fichtner
Hello!
I have a good customer who is drag racing his new C7, Auto, Z51 Coupe. This past weekend was his first at racing the new C7.
He has asked for our assistance in changing the shift points. He told me that he was hitting the rev limiter before the automatic shifted to the next gear. He doesn't want to use the paddle shifter. Any suggestions from any of you?
Thanks.
If you feel or whenever you become comfortable, try using launch control. My first time at the track with my convertible A6, I went 12.15, 12.04, 11.94 in that order. However, I have not used launch control as of yet. My very first pass was at idle and my last pass was around 1800 rpm. This took place at Brandenton, Florida with DA around 1400. Also, the car is bone stock. Hope this would help a little.
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Old May 28, 2014 | 09:49 PM
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I currently have a 2LT/Z51 and I have run it at both 1/8 and 1/4 miles tracks.

Ive tried using launch control.. doesnt do well.

Putting it in Sport mode til the TC light comes on in the Screen and on the Analog Speedometer gave me the best times.

With just straight out runs, It was going to 6800-7000 before shifting. As far as I could tell, I never hit the limiter.

If I had to guess.. I would say he was in Manual mode sport. Tell him to leave it in D and just use Sport Mode.

I could be wrong, but thats what it sounds like to me.
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Old May 30, 2014 | 11:53 PM
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Track mode, let the car shift by itself. Drive thorugh or back into the water box and do a burn out to heat the rear tires rememebr not to get crazy with a long burnout. Just take the slack out of the converter and nail the gas.
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Old May 31, 2014 | 08:33 PM
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For you guys drag racing. You should go around the water and back in. Also this is critical. Do not do a burnout in the tracks left by the normal drag cars. You will only be heating the outer most part of the tire. If you do enough burnouts you will see exactly what I am talking about as it will show the wear on the tire quickly. Real drag cars have wide tires with very narrow rears. This make the center of their tires very close especially when compared to a Corvette. Even a car running a standard width rear and 8-12 inch wide wheels will also suffer from this. Now if the track is a well maintained facility and they replace the concrete at the burnout box on a regular basis this should be a non issue. I do know though that this was a problem even at a place as well maintained as E-Town in NJ. With the wide deep tread street tires you do not want to drive thru the burnout area as they will carry water and release it as you go down track and may cause the rears to loose traction. They are on the edge so it doesnt take much.

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Originally Posted by kp
Most likely not hitting the rev limiter. although it sounds like it.

GM is using fuel cut to let the trans shift faster, and make it live longer. You can tune it out but its not going to make a huge difference in 1/4 mile times just by shutting that off. But if you do actually raise the shift points/limiter that may help some, going to take some experimenting. At the risk of blowing his warranty of course.
it doesn't cut fuel , it cuts timing...
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Originally Posted by RyneZ06
it doesn't cut fuel , it cuts timing...
Either way, its not hitting the limiter in drive most likely..
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Originally Posted by RyneZ06
it doesn't cut fuel , it cuts timing...
it can and does cut both depending on the strategy at the time.
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Originally Posted by Higgs Boson
it can and does cut both depending on the strategy at the time.
That maybe, but from all the logs I have seen, I have only seen a spark cut, especially at wot shifts.
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Originally Posted by RyneZ06
it doesn't cut fuel , it cuts timing...
Interestingly enough, GM claims that they have a 100ms fuel cut to enhance shift speed.
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Originally Posted by kp
Either way, its not hitting the limiter in drive most likely..
On my 11.4 pass, it actually tapped the limiter on the 2-3 shift. The timeslips support this, as that pass had a trap speed of 118.9 mph compared to 120.x on a hot-lapped pass a few minutes later. This is why I feel the car will eventually run an 11.3.

While I agree that's it's a VERY unlikely event, it can happen.
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Originally Posted by Snorman
Interestingly enough, GM claims that they have a 100ms fuel cut to enhance shift speed.
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Interesting, I have a few logs from the track on Friday night... I will look them over further ... I might have missed something .
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Originally Posted by Snorman
On my 11.4 pass, it actually tapped the limiter on the 2-3 shift. The timeslips support this, as that pass had a trap speed of 118.9 mph compared to 120.x on a hot-lapped pass a few minutes later. This is why I feel the car will eventually run an 11.3.

While I agree that's it's a VERY unlikely event, it can happen.
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It has a lot better chance in drive shifting close to the limiter than doing it manually, C7 does a pretty good job of it. Lot of people think its hits the limiter on shifts because of the sound it makes though.

Raising the shift point and the limiter and shifting a little higher may eek out a little quicker ET, havent seen anybody spend any time trying on a stock car though. Maybe in the fall when the weather gets a little cooler and the cars get a little older
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Originally Posted by kp
It has a lot better chance in drive shifting close to the limiter than doing it manually, C7 does a pretty good job of it. Lot of people think its hits the limiter on shifts because of the sound it makes though.
No...it hit the limiter. I know the difference. The sound it makes shifting and the sound it makes sitting on the limiter are very different.
I haven't played around with manually shifting it. There is probably little if anything to be gained.
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Originally Posted by Snorman
No...it hit the limiter. I know the difference. The sound it makes shifting and the sound it makes sitting on the limiter are very different.
I haven't played around with manually shifting it. There is probably little if anything to be gained.
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I wasnt saying you thought it was hitting the limiter, have seen it posted a few times on a couple forums that their car seems to hit the rev limiter when the auto shifts, like the first post in this thread
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Originally Posted by kp
Most likely not hitting the rev limiter. although it sounds like it.

GM is using fuel cut to let the trans shift faster, and make it live longer. You can tune it out but its not going to make a huge difference in 1/4 mile times just by shutting that off. But if you do actually raise the shift points/limiter that may help some, going to take some experimenting. At the risk of blowing his warranty of course.
i have done 4 autocrosses with my auto c7 and after each run someone comes up and asks did you over rev???( no i did not) even when i short shift is sounds ( it pops) , i also did not know what was up when i tested and tuned before i did the events, now i look forward to the pop!-- shifting over 5,000 rpm, pop!!!!
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