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Old Aug 17, 2015 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by robert miller
Mine did the same as what you are saying here. But I didn't pull no code's on it. I just knew it had to be something we did when I did the headers. I checked it out and saw the o2's was pluged in behind the cat's. I chged it around & runs great then.

Plus I called LG & the guy told me if I ran no cat at all these cars now will have to be tuned for that and the rear one'e will have to be turned off to get the check engine line to go off. From LG that is the only reason I paid extra for the front cat;s for the car for now.. Robert
I get what you're saying but my front O2's are plugged in properly...
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Originally Posted by Higgs Boson
your O2 sensors are probably swapped left/right. unplug them and swap the connectors.
They would never ever reach that far, no way is that it.
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Old Aug 17, 2015 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike@DiabloSport
You've moved the O2s downstream, hence the misfires, not uncommon after a header install.

Often the min rpm to enable misfire monitor needs to be bumped a bit assuming there are no small leaks, etc.

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What do you mean I have moved them? I put the front sensors in the header collector and the rear sensors in the short pipe sections, I plugged them back into where they were originally plugged.
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Old Aug 17, 2015 | 01:18 PM
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They would never ever reach that far, no way is that it.
The left and right O2 sensors have different part numbers also. Not sure, but you might verify they are on the right sides.

I had this exact same code and this is what caused it. I had no other issues.
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Old Aug 17, 2015 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Higgs Boson
The left and right O2 sensors have different part numbers also. Not sure, but you might verify they are on the right sides.

I had this exact same code and this is what caused it. I had no other issues.
Rock auto lists the same part number for both upstream sensors:

12655677

Are they different part numbers for the pigtail length or something else?

The upstream connectors come out of harnesses wrapped in heat resistant wrap, they have "christmas tree" fasteners that hold them into place, I cannot imagine how they would reach the opposite side of the car.


Did your car run like crap or just throw that code?


EDIT: Your sensor locations are probably right next to each other because you have longtubes (And probably harness extensions), I have mid lengths and the sensors are all pretty much in the original locations.
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Old Aug 17, 2015 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 10mm_
Rock auto lists the same part number for both upstream sensors:

12655677

Are they different part numbers for the pigtail length or something else?

The upstream connectors come out of harnesses wrapped in heat resistant wrap, they have "christmas tree" fasteners that hold them into place, I cannot imagine how they would reach the opposite side of the car.


Did your car run like crap or just throw that code?


EDIT: Your sensor locations are probably right next to each other because you have longtubes (And probably harness extensions), I have mid lengths and the sensors are all pretty much in the original locations.
i missed the mid lengths part.

yes, my car ran rough but not extremely bad. i almost bought new O2 sensors, dealer listed left/right as separate numbers so it gave me the idea I better check that before buying....

anyways, if you have access to someone with HPTuners or EFI Live, they can scan misfire on each cylinder independently to help narrow down if it is specific and you can go from there.
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Old Aug 17, 2015 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Higgs Boson
i missed the mid lengths part.

yes, my car ran rough but not extremely bad. i almost bought new O2 sensors, dealer listed left/right as separate numbers so it gave me the idea I better check that before buying....

anyways, if you have access to someone with HPTuners or EFI Live, they can scan misfire on each cylinder independently to help narrow down if it is specific and you can go from there.
Diablew tells me that my intune can data log misfires and o2 voltage, I'm gonna try that when I get home and see if it narrows it down.

If nothing else I'll just put two new O2 sensors in it for $90 just to make sure that isn't it lol
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Originally Posted by 10mm_
What do you mean I have moved them? I put the front sensors in the header collector and the rear sensors in the short pipe sections, I plugged them back into where they were originally plugged.
The new headers move the location of the upstream O2 sensor further away from the exhaust port than the stock manifolds, thats what I mean by 'you moved them'
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Old Aug 17, 2015 | 03:18 PM
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I still think this is ignition related. I went from stock headers and cats to catless 2" ARH and the car ran fine with just a CEL for the cats. You had to pull the wires and plugs to do the headers so it would be the first place Id look.
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Originally Posted by c6switchblade
I still think this is ignition related. I went from stock headers and cats to catless 2" ARH and the car ran fine with just a CEL for the cats. You had to pull the wires and plugs to do the headers so it would be the first place Id look.
This will reveal itself when he logs the appropriate data, the bad cylinder(s) will stick out like a sore thumb.
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If it didn't throw anything but P0300, I dont think you'll see anything that leads to a specific cylinder.
If it was one or two cylinders, you'd generally get specific P030X (X= cylinder number) for that event.

P0300 on an otherwise healthy stock car is usually O2 related in my book
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Old Aug 17, 2015 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by c6switchblade
I still think this is ignition related. I went from stock headers and cats to catless 2" ARH and the car ran fine with just a CEL for the cats. You had to pull the wires and plugs to do the headers so it would be the first place Id look.
Like I said I double checked all the wires after I got home they are all seated well and there are no marks. I removed the plugs during the install so I didn't crack any plugs by hitting them with the manifold or header.

I don't believe that a plug or wire would repeatedly fix itself when I shut the car off and then start acting funny again at idle and light load.

Higgs is right I will log it with the diablo tonight and see what shows up.
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Originally Posted by Mike@DiabloSport
If it didn't throw anything but P0300, I dont think you'll see anything that leads to a specific cylinder.
If it was one or two cylinders, you'd generally get specific P030X (X= cylinder number) for that event.

P0300 on an otherwise healthy stock car is usually O2 related in my book
I generally agree except I did have a P0300 and when I logged each cylinder it had misfire counts only on Cylinder 5. I swapped plugs with #1 it had misfires on cylinder 1....so I just replaced all the plugs since I obviously had a bad one.

Just saying, it could happen.
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Originally Posted by Mike@DiabloSport
The new headers move the location of the upstream O2 sensor further away from the exhaust port than the stock manifolds, thats what I mean by 'you moved them'
Ohh ok I see what you're saying, the mid lengths don't move them very far that's why I was confused.
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Originally Posted by Mike@DiabloSport
If it didn't throw anything but P0300, I dont think you'll see anything that leads to a specific cylinder.
If it was one or two cylinders, you'd generally get specific P030X (X= cylinder number) for that event.

P0300 on an otherwise healthy stock car is usually O2 related in my book
That makes sense.

I read one guy was able to log the misfires on one bank, which pointed to the O2 sensor on that side. I hope to be that lucky lol
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Old Aug 17, 2015 | 05:14 PM
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Bank 1 Sensor 1 just sits at 1.11V no movement.

It's either not plugged in or the sensor is bad I would imagine.

Double checking that connector now...
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Yeah, that's not right

Surprised there was not a 'lack of switching' code for that sensor as well, but it may not have run long enough to set that.

On the right track....
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you probably hurt one of the wires when you used the impact to loosen it. 10mm was I right or was I right on the phone this am hahaha.
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Connector was nice and tight.

I removed the oxygen sensor and I shook it and it rattles lol. Only thing I can think is that the impact wrench shattered it.

New sensor on the way.
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you probably hurt one of the wires when you used the impact to loosen it. 10mm was I right or was I right on the phone this am hahaha.
You were SPOT ON as usual Joe. Thanks!!!
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