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Old Dec 17, 2015 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DOUG @ ECS
Unless I'm mistaken, the Procharger intake is only for the C7Z kit. So you can remove the stock supercharger. It would not fit a std C7.



Thanks for noticing, we have come to realize that this is a very addicting game we play, so we try and make it as easy as possible to upgrade the HP without having to make any changes with the base supercharger kit. I think we have achieved that better then any other centrifugal company.



That's strange, is the car lowered? Either way though, our offer stands indefinitely.
They say the intake is compatible wit the c7 stingray just waitin to see the results
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Originally Posted by NateDieselF4i
More info on OP's actual question?

Have any actual info or videos of customers road tracking cars with your system, Doug?
Poor marketing on my part, but I did not save any of the video's. They were posted by the customers on here though. If I get time I'll do some searching for them.

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They say the intake is compatible wit the c7 stingray just waitin to see the results
I guess they are making some with the std bolt pattern, cool! It's a nice looking intake, although we make as much power as the engine can handle without it just using our base kit so it's more for looks at that point. Plus the aluminum will heat soak more on a street car. I'm not sure I would recommend it unless you were going for an "all out 2200R in our case, or F1x type build in Prochargers. Same goes for any aluminum intake just so that's clear.
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Old Dec 17, 2015 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Seannyc
They say the intake is compatible wit the c7 stingray just waitin to see the results
It wont be out for another 6 - 8 weeks.

I'm going with the LME intake.
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Old Dec 17, 2015 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DOUG @ ECS
Poor marketing on my part, but I did not save any of the video's. They were posted by the customers on here though. If I get time I'll do some searching for them.



I guess they are making some with the std bolt pattern, cool! It's a nice looking intake, although we make as much power as the engine can handle without it just using our base kit so it's more for looks at that point. Plus the aluminum will heat soak more on a street car. I'm not sure I would recommend it unless you were going for an "all out 2200R in our case, or F1x type build in Prochargers. Same goes for any aluminum intake just so that's clear.
I've never seen enough gain in these aftermarket intakes to justify the cost. The OEM intakes flow extremely well.
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Doug, I'm not saying I'm not happy with your kit because I am, I wish we had known about the scoop option, leaving my neighborhood all I hear is the flaps dragging where is the stock z51 never drug. The kit you guys make really delivers on performance for sure. Mike at calvo made the install a success and the car is a blast to drive.
I'm z51 as well, lowered all the way on stock bolts and only rub those pieces for the ram air when going up or down elevated areas like my drive way. They do sit very low but I don't mind them hitting pavement since they are rubber.

Doug does the lip that can be welded on top provide similar performance as the lower pieces?
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Originally Posted by CDH76
I'm z51 as well, lowered all the way on stock bolts and only rub those pieces for the ram air when going up or down elevated areas like my drive way. They do sit very low but I don't mind them hitting pavement since they are rubber.

Doug does the lip that can be welded on top provide similar performance as the lower pieces?
It should be a ton better for road racing and high speed driving as it will push air right threw the intercooler, In my own opinion I do not believe the flaps are doing anything for your IATs
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Old Dec 18, 2015 | 05:10 AM
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lots of great info about the SC options, but my question still stands. Id love to hear from people that actually drive their cars hard for prolonged periods of time and track them. I watched Matt Farrah on drive tv test driving a SC c7 (i don't remember the kit), and after 10-15 min of spirited driving through the canyon it started to heat up, so he had to let go. On the autobahn loads are much higher, i frequently drive hard for 30-40 minutes (when i'm driving up towards nurburgring the autobahn is unlimited the whole way there, with lots of elevation changes). So to put on a SC u'd need to upgrade the oil cooler and radiator? Does that eliminate the problem?

The way i perceive it, heat is the enemy and makes the engine go boom.

thanks for the cam advice, but here in germany it is hard to get someone to do that work, and the places that do do it, charge an arm and a leg, so u are back in the SC territory money wise.

Perhaps a better option for me is an oil catch can, basic bolt ons, and oil cooler upgrade...

With all the track experience that GM has, I am surprised that they made their flagship car suffer from heat issues. My c6Z06 never had those.

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Old Dec 18, 2015 | 06:43 AM
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lots of great info about the SC options, but my question still stands. Id love to hear from people that actually drive their cars hard for prolonged periods of time and track them. I watched Matt Farrah on drive tv test driving a SC c7 (i don't remember the kit), and after 10-15 min of spirited driving through the canyon it started to heat up, so he had to let go. On the autobahn loads are much higher, i frequently drive hard for 30-40 minutes (when i'm driving up towards nurburgring the autobahn is unlimited the whole way there, with lots of elevation changes). So to put on a SC u'd need to upgrade the oil cooler and radiator? Does that eliminate the problem?

The way i perceive it, heat is the enemy and makes the engine go boom.

thanks for the cam advice, but here in germany it is hard to get someone to do that work, and the places that do do it, charge an arm and a leg, so u are back in the SC territory money wise.

Perhaps a better option for me is an oil catch can, basic bolt ons, and oil cooler upgrade...

With all the track experience that GM has, I am surprised that they made their flagship car suffer from heat issues. My c6Z06 never had those.
Was your c6Z06 naturally aspirated? That would explain a lot. I've seen the video of the Magnuson c7 you're talking about getting warm. If you're gonna be driving hard for 30 or 45 minutes, you may as well go ahead and upgrade all your cooling. I love boost but I spend my time at the dragstrip . If I were road racing, I would get full exhaust, a moderate drivable cam, and run e85. You'll get lots of horsepower while saving weight and you'll have less heat than boosted applications.
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Originally Posted by Motohead279
It wont be out for another 6 - 8 weeks.

I'm going with the LME intake.
U think it will be 600whp on 7lbs
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Old Dec 18, 2015 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by DOUG @ ECS
Poor marketing on my part, but I did not save any of the video's. They were posted by the customers on here though. If I get time I'll do some searching for them.



I guess they are making some with the std bolt pattern, cool! It's a nice looking intake, although we make as much power as the engine can handle without it just using our base kit so it's more for looks at that point. Plus the aluminum will heat soak more on a street car. I'm not sure I would recommend it unless you were going for an "all out 2200R in our case, or F1x type build in Prochargers. Same goes for any aluminum intake just so that's clear.
I'm looking to go with the 2200SL installing a blower cam in couple months how does it perform vs the normal 1500 kit
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Old Dec 18, 2015 | 08:43 AM
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I'm sure this will go over well...but when I was looking at A&A vs ECS the big thing I noticed was A&A's dyno sheets from other owners seemed very peaky.


Huge jumps in torque and HP over shorter RPM ranges.
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Old Dec 18, 2015 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by kotik
lots of great info about the SC options, but my question still stands. Id love to hear from people that actually drive their cars hard for prolonged periods of time and track them. I watched Matt Farrah on drive tv test driving a SC c7 (i don't remember the kit), and after 10-15 min of spirited driving through the canyon it started to heat up, so he had to let go. On the autobahn loads are much higher, i frequently drive hard for 30-40 minutes (when i'm driving up towards nurburgring the autobahn is unlimited the whole way there, with lots of elevation changes). So to put on a SC u'd need to upgrade the oil cooler and radiator? Does that eliminate the problem?

The way i perceive it, heat is the enemy and makes the engine go boom.

thanks for the cam advice, but here in germany it is hard to get someone to do that work, and the places that do do it, charge an arm and a leg, so u are back in the SC territory money wise.

Perhaps a better option for me is an oil catch can, basic bolt ons, and oil cooler upgrade...

With all the track experience that GM has, I am surprised that they made their flagship car suffer from heat issues. My c6Z06 never had those.

Here are just a couple suggestions:

1) The best route for you to take if you just want to add a good amount of hp and keep things reliable for road racing, then a mild cam kit (including VVT, springs, retainers, push rods, timing chain, etc), some headers, a CAI, and a tune would be your best bet. Although like you said, this could get very expensive over in your country compared to a SC install. Here, a package like that usually runs about the same as a SC/headers/tune package runs but nets just a tad lower hp.

2) Or go the SC route. I would either recommend ECS (with welded scoop) or the A&A kit. Both will make great reliable power but both will have higher IAT's than a naturally aspirated setup like above. So you may also benefit from a methenol injection system to help keep those IAT's down. I would recommend installing one but keep the tuning conservative so that you aren't leaning on the meth but only using it for safety. Granted, this will just add something else for you to have to monitor and keep on hand to refill when needed. You will burn through quite a bit of meth when on the track. However, if you just tune the car for 93 octane (or 91, whatever you have there) and don't lean on the meth, then it wont really matter too much if you run out as it was only there as an added safety to begin with. Just a thought.

Either route you choose, I would HIGHLY recommend going ahead and upgrading your cooling either way. GM makes a few factory parts now to help with that such as a higher amp radiator fan and a secondary radiator setup (that comes on z06's, which further benefits from a Z06 grill installed). You could also look at after market options here (which is what I'm going to do). LG and DeWitts both make great aftermarket radiators which, from what I've gathered, help to decrease the average engine temps by approximately 25-40 degrees. LG also makes a few other great components to help with cooling like a better transmission cooler and larger transmission pan for a higher capacity of trans fluid. I would also recommend getting some type of catch can with any route you go. If you go forced induction, FPS makes a great application for this.

I personally do not get the chance to road race near as much as you, but I still plan on adding a few of these options just to keep my car safe. I'll most likely go with the ECS kit with welded scoop (I've already removed my lower air dam, for looks purpose only so I'll need the scoop), ARH long tube headers and x-pipe with high flow cats, Vengeance plugs and plug wires, FPS catch can/breather, and a DeWitts or LG radiator with upgraded GM radiator fan. I'm skipping on the meth for now because I don't want to have something else to keep up with.

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Originally Posted by CDH76

Doug does the lip that can be welded on top provide similar performance as the lower pieces?
We tested it both ways and Procharger had a nice write up on here doing the same and the results were basically the same. That's why we decided to keep it as we did so none of the airflow to the radiator was impeded. Also for the high speed guys, removing the lower air damn creates lift.


Originally Posted by Seannyc
I'm looking to go with the 2200SL installing a blower cam in couple months how does it perform vs the normal 1500 kit
The 2200SL flows in between the 1500 and 2200R, it's a nice blower that will easily produce 900 rwhp.

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Originally Posted by MikeLsx
every thought about going with heads and cam instead? might be better with the heat. still decent gains.
Yes heads and cam will be a good choice but in Germany you will pay a hefty price!! Geiger tuner in Germany is about your only choice when it comes to credibility and reliability. They had the best head cam set up and tune for corvettes when I was stationed their. They have supercharged several corvettes for the autobahn so you should stop by and talk to them.

http://95octane.com/2014/09/22/2015-...e-c7-stingray/

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Doug and Chris @ ECS always support anything they sell or install. Their a very reputable shop.
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This is yesterdays drive, just as example

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This is yesterdays drive, just as example

rough life....I need to move
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I came from a Supercharged M3 like you to the Corvette. I had a ton of problems with the Supercharged M3 at the track. It had a modified Dinan Kit with w/a intercooler, w/a injection, forged internals etc. The car would break all the time.

When I bought the Corvette I decided to keep in NA, and went the Cam route with headers, upgraded DeWitts radiator, and long tube headers. This car can run with just about anything on the track including previous generation Z06's. A blower was not a consideration for me, you just simply have too much heat being created, on a car that struggles to shed heat as it is.

I have done all of the cooling upgrades I can to mine and it remains reliable, fast and fun. I don't have to worry about watching my temps rise as the session goes on.

I made over 500whp on a Mustang Dyno with just a cam upgrade over headers and intake. It was over 100whp and the car now spins to 7000 rpm, perfect for road racing.
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Originally Posted by kotik
I have a 2015 z51, but here in Germany 460hp just doesn't cut it. I am constantly getting harassed by RS6's, Ferrari's, and turbo Porsche's and tuner cars. I have successful ran 1 to 1 with GT3 RS 991, but i'd like more power. My autobahn sessions usually last anywhere from 5-15 minutes of driving at WOT, and I see oil temps and tranny temps rise quite significantly. I am planning to remedy that by wrapping my cat back, but that won't do much for the oil temp. I also go to track AT LEAST once a month, sometimes twice. On a cooler day I can run 2 moderate laps around the
nurburgring without the car overheating (both tranny temps and oil temps start to go up to the red at the end of second lap, if I drove it hard). This next season i'll also add spa and hockenheim to my track list, which usually create more heat.

So right now i'm contemplating adding xpipe, ported and coated stock manifolds, CAI and larger throttle body, but that will only add 30hp and put me $1500 in a hole. So I was thinking of just throwing one of those $5k SC instead (seems like better $ per HP value), but i'm seriously concerned about heat issues. Is there anyone that has a SC and does hard driving without heat issues? How much is the cars balance affected by a SC system?

I used to have E90 M3 that I ended up SC'ing (ESS 575 kit, to a final output of 600bhp, roughly 510whp) and I never had heat issues with it, and the car's balance was not ruined. I ran many track events, even did Spa in the rain with no significant issues. It handled just as well as when it was stock, and was very manageable and didn't try to kill me.
I came from an m3, move to a gt500 and now a c7 z51 with the aa supercharger. What can I tell you is the car goes up to 217 degree ECT. But the IAT goes all the way up to 143 degrees. For road racing my car would need methanol injection to control iat.
However, in my opinion the first and second shift gears are to s
hort for the 573 whp the car is producing, thus traction is compromised with the oem tires.. IMO a n/a would be a better option for road racing.

For the autobahn the SC c7 should be great.
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NA for what the OP is doing for sure. That's the only option really.

SCers are great for getting on it here and there. Just doesn't work for extended durations of heavy throttle usage.
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