Should i do a 416?
Thread Starter
Instructor
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 210
Likes: 32
From: Raleigh
Should i do a 416?
I have a 2015 z51 a8
I have h,c,i and a a&a ti kit making 780hp 658tq.
Im getting ready to do pistons and rods but been thinking about going with a 416 since the motor will be out.
What are all the pros and cons associated with going to a 416?
Im not made of money otherwise i just go a head a do it.
Your thoughts are much appreciated
Eric
I have h,c,i and a a&a ti kit making 780hp 658tq.
Im getting ready to do pistons and rods but been thinking about going with a 416 since the motor will be out.
What are all the pros and cons associated with going to a 416?
Im not made of money otherwise i just go a head a do it.
Your thoughts are much appreciated
Eric
Burning Brakes
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,154
Likes: 25
From: Jasper GA
It depends on your goals. At 780 at the wheels, you're already beyond the point that other than running drag radials, traction is a sometimes thing. More power will buy you more tire smoke, but not much else. On the other hand, the larger engine will have more torque off boost, but there are many stock displacement LT1s (and LS1s) that are pushing 1000 rwhp with boost and good tuning.
Last edited by Steve Garrett; Jul 19, 2016 at 09:11 AM. Reason: No need to re-quote the OP, especially if you're the next person posting.
Supporting Vendor
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 4,421
Likes: 1,430
From: Mesa Az
I would not go bigger cube's, the blower will become more of a restriction. If you go bigger cube's plan on upgrading the headunit if you want more power. However i am not a fan of how thin these cylinder walls are already and opening them up more without doing the ERL superdeck conversion is not the best imo. Boosted motor a 390 or 400 is absolutely the perfect size imo.
__________________
Cordes Performance Racing aka "CPR"
Owner of AZ's premier LSX/LTX motorsports shop
http://cordesperformanceracing.com/
www.facebook.com/cordesperformanceracing.com
joe@cordesperformanceracing.com
480-359-5914
Cordes Performance Racing aka "CPR"
Owner of AZ's premier LSX/LTX motorsports shop
http://cordesperformanceracing.com/
www.facebook.com/cordesperformanceracing.com
joe@cordesperformanceracing.com
480-359-5914
Team Owner
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 29,063
Likes: 1,839
From: cookeville tennessee
I would not go bigger cube's, the blower will become more of a restriction. If you go bigger cube's plan on upgrading the headunit if you want more power. However i am not a fan of how thin these cylinder walls are already and opening them up more without doing the ERL superdeck conversion is not the best imo. Boosted motor a 390 or 400 is absolutely the perfect size imo.
Then spin the TI unit until it is over it's limit. Use all ARP stuff and use head studs and pin the mains in the block.
Drifting
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 1,802
Likes: 69
I would not go bigger cube's, the blower will become more of a restriction. If you go bigger cube's plan on upgrading the headunit if you want more power. However i am not a fan of how thin these cylinder walls are already and opening them up more without doing the ERL superdeck conversion is not the best imo. Boosted motor a 390 or 400 is absolutely the perfect size imo.
Also how much hp will I lose from the lower compression piston
Team Owner
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 29,063
Likes: 1,839
From: cookeville tennessee
These cars like the compression but like most every thing else to a point with it.
Let see what Joe will say on it...
Thread Starter
Instructor
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 210
Likes: 32
From: Raleigh
After discussing it with my shop and my budget, i decided not to do the 416. Im not looking to make a bunch more power, more concerned with having safe power.
Going with Weisco pistons and Callies connecting rods and all arp hardware.
My goal is to get into the 9's in the qtr. I think i have the power to do it as long as i can hook.
Going with Weisco pistons and Callies connecting rods and all arp hardware.
My goal is to get into the 9's in the qtr. I think i have the power to do it as long as i can hook.
Corvette Stories
The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts
Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer
Brett Foote
10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)
Michael S. Palmer
8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems
Pouria Savadkouei
10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years
Joe Kucinski
How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972
Joe Kucinski
Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!
Michael S. Palmer
Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!
Joe Kucinski
150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter
Joe Kucinski
8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time
Verdad Gallardo
Le Mans Master
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 8,434
Likes: 411
From: Texas
I would not go bigger cube's, the blower will become more of a restriction. If you go bigger cube's plan on upgrading the headunit if you want more power. However i am not a fan of how thin these cylinder walls are already and opening them up more without doing the ERL superdeck conversion is not the best imo. Boosted motor a 390 or 400 is absolutely the perfect size imo.
Drifting
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 1,802
Likes: 69
After discussing it with my shop and my budget, i decided not to do the 416. Im not looking to make a bunch more power, more concerned with having safe power.
Going with Weisco pistons and Callies connecting rods and all arp hardware.
My goal is to get into the 9's in the qtr. I think i have the power to do it as long as i can hook.
Going with Weisco pistons and Callies connecting rods and all arp hardware.
My goal is to get into the 9's in the qtr. I think i have the power to do it as long as i can hook.
Supporting Vendor
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 4,421
Likes: 1,430
From: Mesa Az
Racer
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 495
Likes: 50
[QUOTE=yonks8365;1592652895]I have a 2015 z51 a8
I have h,c,i and a a&a ti kit making 780hp 658tq.
Im getting ready to do pistons and rods but been thinking about going with a 416 since the motor will be out.
What are all the pros and cons associated
with going to a 416?
If you are keeping the TI you are probably close to its limit. I have a TI and am over spinning it slightly and it is done at 15lbs. I am running 10.5.1 forged pistons with a small cam and a single meth nozzle set up. Forged pistons will be more for safety than a big bump in power with the TI. Now if you
jump up to a Ysi then you can kick up the boost and expect a big bump in power. I have not jumped to a Ysi yet because of fueling. Hopefully someone will come out with some better fuel system options soon. 780 out of a auto with a stock bottom end is impressive!
I have h,c,i and a a&a ti kit making 780hp 658tq.
Im getting ready to do pistons and rods but been thinking about going with a 416 since the motor will be out.
What are all the pros and cons associated
with going to a 416?
If you are keeping the TI you are probably close to its limit. I have a TI and am over spinning it slightly and it is done at 15lbs. I am running 10.5.1 forged pistons with a small cam and a single meth nozzle set up. Forged pistons will be more for safety than a big bump in power with the TI. Now if you
jump up to a Ysi then you can kick up the boost and expect a big bump in power. I have not jumped to a Ysi yet because of fueling. Hopefully someone will come out with some better fuel system options soon. 780 out of a auto with a stock bottom end is impressive!
Racer
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 434
Likes: 67
From: Upper Marlboro MD
[QUOTE=Silverboost;1592678626]
What Upper/Lower Pulley combo are you running to get 15lbs out of your V3 TI?
I have a 2015 z51 a8
I have h,c,i and a a&a ti kit making 780hp 658tq.
Im getting ready to do pistons and rods but been thinking about going with a 416 since the motor will be out.
What are all the pros and cons associated
with going to a 416?
If you are keeping the TI you are probably close to its limit. I have a TI and am over spinning it slightly and it is done at 15lbs. I am running 10.5.1 forged pistons with a small cam and a single meth nozzle set up. Forged pistons will be more for safety than a big bump in power with the TI. Now if you
jump up to a Ysi then you can kick up the boost and expect a big bump in power. I have not jumped to a Ysi yet because of fueling. Hopefully someone will come out with some better fuel system options soon. 780 out of a auto with a stock bottom end is impressive!
I have h,c,i and a a&a ti kit making 780hp 658tq.
Im getting ready to do pistons and rods but been thinking about going with a 416 since the motor will be out.
What are all the pros and cons associated
with going to a 416?
If you are keeping the TI you are probably close to its limit. I have a TI and am over spinning it slightly and it is done at 15lbs. I am running 10.5.1 forged pistons with a small cam and a single meth nozzle set up. Forged pistons will be more for safety than a big bump in power with the TI. Now if you
jump up to a Ysi then you can kick up the boost and expect a big bump in power. I have not jumped to a Ysi yet because of fueling. Hopefully someone will come out with some better fuel system options soon. 780 out of a auto with a stock bottom end is impressive!
Burning Brakes
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,004
Likes: 68
From: Cincinnati OH
I have a 2015 z51 a8
I have h,c,i and a a&a ti kit making 780hp 658tq.
Im getting ready to do pistons and rods but been thinking about going with a 416 since the motor will be out.
What are all the pros and cons associated with going to a 416?
Im not made of money otherwise i just go a head a do it.
Your thoughts are much appreciated
Eric
I have h,c,i and a a&a ti kit making 780hp 658tq.
Im getting ready to do pistons and rods but been thinking about going with a 416 since the motor will be out.
What are all the pros and cons associated with going to a 416?
Im not made of money otherwise i just go a head a do it.
Your thoughts are much appreciated
Eric
I'm a M7 NA build at 550rwhp now and am considering adding an A&A or ECS kit and meth.
Thread Starter
Instructor
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 210
Likes: 32
From: Raleigh
What are you doing for fuel? I'm assuming you're running meth, but did you do any other fuel upgrades to support the power? What kind of boost are you running to achieve these numbers?
I'm a M7 NA build at 550rwhp now and am considering adding an A&A or ECS kit and meth.
I'm a M7 NA build at 550rwhp now and am considering adding an A&A or ECS kit and meth.
I'm running a dual nozzle alky kit. Not running e85 at the moment.
When it goes in for rods and pistons in august i will be doing lt4 injectors and fuel pump as well.