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Old Oct 7, 2017 | 02:31 PM
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which are simply not believable. You might want to look into a quick refresher on Thermodynamics. This is my 8th Vette and God knows how many high powered cars that I have owned or driven including both supercharged and turbocharged. One of the best ways to increase HP on these types is with an intercooler that cools down the compressed air via air to air or air to water, the later of which is already on the LT4 engine. Interestingly, even the new Dodge Demon package includes a "mini refrigerator" to artificially cool intake air to gain additional HP "In drag mode, the Demon redirects air conditioning from the passenger compartment to a chiller that cools intake air so the engine can reach peak power". A CAI by itself, cannot do it. On the LT4, it's the efficiency of the intercooler that matters.

I'm not trying to start a war on this matter, it's not worth it to me but I hate to see people spend a whole lot of money needlessly for a couple of ponies (maybe) on CAI's for this application. For normally aspirated engines it might help minimally.

There is no disagreement that highly efficient intercooler would be a great improvement.
But the fact remains that the cooler the air that enters the supercharger, the cooler the air that enters the cylinders.


A cold air intake never actively cools the air - and I don't think anyone claimed that - but it can avoid hot air to be sucked in.
If it does that in case of the C7 and how big the difference is I don't know.


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Old Oct 7, 2017 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Jesse
Where is the measurable testing data to support the "30 to 60" HP gain with a cold air intake?
Dyno #'s absolutely don't count, I don't drive on a dyno.
Absolutely agree with you on this subject. The road or track is all that matters . A car that reaches full boost on a dyno will often loose 1 lb or more and pull timing on the road . A stock LT-4 with a stock intake ,we Data logged last week lost 1.5 PSI and pulled 5 degrees of timing on a 82F day with DA at around 1450ft or so. That's a California day for TX !
WE were doing simple 3rd gear pulls from 2,000 RPM to 6000RPM. The IAT showed 86F during the pulls.

Now ,We cannot speak for other companies, because your question was more of a, in general "someone show me the data question?" and We are in complete agreement with you about that!
That's why at Vararam we produce data from EFI Live data logs with a wideband and we will run a backup system with sensors plumbed into the manifold or induction system or both. We flow bench test the complete induction system as a single unit, both in house and independently. Then we call in multiple local cars to test the same parts we produced the data from. Next step is to send the same parts to tuners in AZ , NY, NJ, FL and LA to name a few. This way other tuners can test the parts and double check the data we see with what they are seeing.
Dyno runs are the very last thing we do. We only do them last because honestly , We know in general how much power a part is making based on the Dynamic flow numbers , MAP pressures , timing and 02 sensors etc.
We do dyno runs last and we only do them because everyone else does them. Its an industry thing , so you are sort of forced to do it at some point. Its like Cam duration , I want the gross number, not the number @.50inches of lift. The industry does it at .50 inches so you have to do at .50inches.
We prefer 1/4 mile passes or 0-60MPH runs without cool down or running on a road coarse wile Data logging.
This produces a far more accurate picture.

When our LT-4 system is released you will see most of this data. That should answer the majority of your questions regarding stock induction vs aftermarket vs say just a drop in filter.

AS is, the LT-1 induction systems that we have tested ,cannot supply a single port in the stock cylinder head manifold throttle body combination without incurring losses. Some not even without a filter ! Without the LT-1 manifold in place the stock heads gain a massive amount of flow. ( Supercharged LT-4)

If the current induction systems can't supply a single port in the LT-1 with the manifold/throttle body in place, how are they going to supply an LT-4 ,let alone a modified one ?
That's just basic flow bench work.

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Old Oct 7, 2017 | 04:13 PM
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So, for an LT1, besides your intake, what else do you recommend for that motor?
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Old Oct 7, 2017 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by spinkick
So, for an LT1, besides your intake, what else do you recommend for that motor?
A simple ported throttle body swap will yield nice gains across the RPM band.

In my case it sharpens the throttle input and is measurable in the quarter mile.

My 17 LT1 picked up right at a tenth in the quarter mile.
My 17 LT4 picked up about 2 full tenths in the quarter mile.

These are results you can feel every time you drive the car.

People get caught up with dyno numbers myself included, but we don't drive around at wide open throttle, A better indicator is to look at the gains where you drive the car the most. Say from 1500-4500 RPM.
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Originally Posted by Mike Jesse
A simple ported throttle body swap will yield nice gains across the RPM band.

In my case it sharpens the throttle input and is measurable in the quarter mile.

My 17 LT1 picked up right at a tenth in the quarter mile.
My 17 LT4 picked up about 2 full tenths in the quarter mile.

These are results you can feel every time you drive the car.

People get caught up with dyno numbers myself included, but we don't drive around at wide open throttle, A better indicator is to look at the gains where you drive the car the most. Say from 1500-4500 RPM.
Okay, I'm on the right track! The Katek throttle body I have definately helped just like you said, throttle response is telepathic.
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Originally Posted by spinkick
So, for an LT1, besides your intake, what else do you recommend for that motor?
You will see us DYNO testing a new Injection molded Polymer intake manifold on the C-7 LT-1 in the coming weeks.
It has produced gains that are worth every penny and will send our competition back to the drawing board.

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Old Oct 18, 2017 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Jesse
A simple ported throttle body swap will yield nice gains across the RPM band.

In my case it sharpens the throttle input and is measurable in the quarter mile.

My 17 LT1 picked up right at a tenth in the quarter mile.
My 17 LT4 picked up about 2 full tenths in the quarter mile.

These are results you can feel every time you drive the car.

People get caught up with dyno numbers myself included, but we don't drive around at wide open throttle, A better indicator is to look at the gains where you drive the car the most. Say from 1500-4500 RPM.
What if I Told you that in a "STOCK" LT-1 there is over 45ft lbs of Torque from 4,000-5,200 RPM and about 40HP From 5300-6,200RPM to be found ?
That would be a very nice bolt on and a must have for heads cam guys !
The LT-1 is no where near its true potential.
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Old Oct 20, 2017 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by VaraRam Industries
What if I Told you that in a "STOCK" LT-1 there is over 45ft lbs of Torque from 4,000-5,200 RPM and about 40HP From 5300-6,200RPM to be found ?
That would be a very nice bolt on and a must have for heads cam guys !
The LT-1 is no where near its true potential.
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Do you mean 45ft lbs and 40HPbfor the LT1 just via the cold air intake, or does that include anything else, like a tune for exymple ?
These number are impressive.

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Originally Posted by Mike Jesse
A simple ported throttle body swap will yield nice gains across the RPM band.

In my case it sharpens the throttle input and is measurable in the quarter mile.

My 17 LT1 picked up right at a tenth in the quarter mile.
My 17 LT4 picked up about 2 full tenths in the quarter mile.

These are results you can feel every time you drive the car.

People get caught up with dyno numbers myself included, but we don't drive around at wide open throttle, A better indicator is to look at the gains where you drive the car the most. Say from 1500-4500 RPM.


I got my mamo TB and AFe CAI, only missing the Xpipe now!! TB is hands down the first one you should get!! Far better than the CAI!! obviously both works awesome together!

LT4 response very well to those mods!

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Originally Posted by goec2468
Do you mean 45ft lbs and 40HPbfor the LT1 just via the cold air intake, or does that include anything else, like a tune for exymple ?
These number are impressive.

Regards

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Its Not a CAI that I was Hinting at.

Be on the lookout for the upcoming video , there is a sneak peak at the end.

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Old Oct 21, 2017 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by VaraRam Industries
Its Not a CAI that I was Hinting at.

Be on the lookout for the upcoming video , there is a sneak peak at the end.

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Where can I find this video ?
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Old Oct 21, 2017 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by goec2468
Where can I find this video ?
I believe they are finishing up the editing now. I expect to see it Monday. Then we will get it posted up.

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Originally Posted by VaraRam Industries
I believe they are finishing up the editing now. I expect to see it Monday. Then we will get it posted up.

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Thanks, I am realy keen to see it ..
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Originally Posted by goec2468
Thanks, I am realy keen to see it ..
There will be several but this one gives you a good picture of the present and a sneak peak at the future.

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Old Oct 22, 2017 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Soluz
So, which one is the best Cold Air Intake System?
And I can't wait to see the upcoming VaraRam!

Which one is the best?
Simply put, what has been and still is the best for C5's & C6's, will no doubt continue to be the best for C7's> VARARAM.

Quicker ET's, snappier throttle, cooler engine and intake temps!
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Old Oct 22, 2017 | 08:34 PM
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Simply put, what has been and still is the best for C5's & C6's, will no doubt continue to be the best for C7's> VARARAM.

Quicker ET's, snappier throttle, cooler engine and intake temps!
YES SIR!

WE are going to debut some new technology that we have been testing the past couple of yrs on the C7 Z-06 LT-4 unit!


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Intersting
Its going to be a Rocket!

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Its going to be a Rocket!

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LT-1 guys need some too!
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Originally Posted by YO-EL
LT-1 guys need some too!
The LT-1 unit is a Rocket !
There is an LT-1 engine Part on the way that you guys will find very useful.

Tuners / Customers etc.. should take the aero advice though , I found some serious speed there. Aero is exponential with speed !
Plus, every HP added will show greater improvement or at least closer to a 1 to 1 improvement.

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