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Old Dec 25, 2020 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Dcasole
If you drop it off the engine then you have a harder time breaking the bolt loose as the manifold is now loose, I was able to go right thru the wheel wheel and used a ratcheting passthru socket , tip came from Gary Barnes ...was so much easier this way

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Agree with Dave above -- I already had a passthru socket set ($10 from harbor freight). Without that I'd add at least an additional hour to find a way to loosen that hard-to-reach bolt. You need a good amount of torque to break it loose and thus methods that would traditionally work on some nuts (like socket extensions, swivel extensions) won't work.

I was able to do the passenger side that way on my Z06, but the driver side I couldn't get it to budge. You have to be careful with that bolt on the cars with mag ride because you can easily break the bolt loose and accidentally smack the mag ride sensors out of place. With the driver side manifold loose, I just let the manifold drop down and wedge between the motor and the frame. Then a real easy pull with a breaker bar on the last nut and it came loose. Was much easier than the other way, but again only on the driver side. It is a valid option if anyone is struggling with it. Having done multiple header jobs, they all seem to be slightly different.

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If you have experience working on cars casually (change oil, spark plugs, diagnose issues, know what all items in the engine bay are, etc) and you are willing to go slow and be patient, it can be done (especially if you're someone who doesn't mind the 'fun' of the work). For me, it took around 8 hours total, going at a slow/medium pace (no rush). Do your research beforehand so that you can avoid getting stuck on common issues. Here are some steps I wrote up to ensure things went as smoothly as possible on my 2014 Z51:1. Disconnect Negative Battery Terminal

2. Remove both 'Corvette' plastic valve covers with Torx T30, disconnect breather tube that might be in way of plastic valve covers coming off.

3. Remove fuse box -- Use impact on large nut securing battery cables at top of box (else it might not come off well). Remove fuse tray.

4. Remove spark plug boots (and spark plugs if desired) -- Use screwdriver to pry out boots. NOTE: Just remove the spark plugs... I initially tried to do the install without pulling the plugs and I cracked at least one, causing frustration later on.

5. Remove manifold heat shields. Soak header bolts in PB blaster.

6. Lift car. Remove tunnel brace. Spray PB blaster on everything underneath.

7. Drain oil (replace drain plug bolt when done, put oil container in front seat so you don't forget to add oil before start). Don't forget to remove oil fill cap to help drain.

8. Unbolt/remove Xpipe. Install new gaskets on xpipe. Remove/swing diagonal aluminum bracing bars out of way.

9. Remove dry sump oil lines (or see if can just remove starter) -- Make sure to tie-off to prevent oil drip.

10.Remove OEM cat pipes - Use two-wrench method if needed to get around tight clearances (see picture saved in phone) or pass-thru socket set. Use ONLY 6 point sockets, fully seat all sockets before loosening. Can remove studs with socket if bolts are siezed. Consider loosening manifold bolts (to block) to ease access.

11. Disconnect O2 sensors -- Pull the white tab up and flip connector to the back and insert flathead between the connector and twist/pry-apart.

12. Remove starter heatshield

13. Remove manifolds -- Use only 6 point sockets.

14. Soak O2 sensors on manifolds in PB blaster.

15. Remove O2 sensors (using heat) and install in new headers. Take note of which sensor goes to which pipe. Inspect gaskets and decide if using OEM or aftermarket provided.

16. Cleanup header bolts and coat in blue loctite

17. Install headers from bottom (or passenger from top) along with gasket. Hand-thread bolts, leave loose. Note: Make sure to install gasket correctly based upon its labelling.

18. Attach O2 sensors to car. Zip tie safely from heat/touching pipes.

19. Install cat pipes.

20. Torque header bolts to 18ft/lbs

21. Jig everything up loosely. Check clearance to tunnel brace, starter, and frame. Need 1/2" of clearance to tunnel brace -- Push pipes to adjust.

22. Make sure no wires are touching header (including spark plug wires)

23. Tighten everything down. Torque specs: x-pipe to header 18ft/lbs, small tunnel bolts 20, large tunnel bolts 75, bolts for assembly of cat pipes to header ???

- Push the pipes up into the tunnel when tightening the rear clamps or the may hit the tunnel plate.

24. Reverse order everything above.

25. Install oil filter, add new oil. 9 quarts, then start and check. Don't forget to add oil cap back on.



Thanks for the write up!!! I'm going to print this off and study it.

I'm not afraid if taking it apart. Its putting it back together that freaks me out!! I have the skill just not the confidence!!! I've done a frame off restoration of a 71 and I am working on a 69 now. They are like basic Lego sets. The technology scares the crap out of me!!!

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Originally Posted by clovergamecock
Thanks for the write up!!! I'm going to print this off and study it.

I'm not afraid if taking it apart. Its putting it back together that freaks me out!! I have the skill just not the confidence!!! I've done a frame off restoration of a 71 and I am working on a 69 now. They are like basic Lego sets. The technology scares the crap out of me!!!

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If you're working on restorations then I really think you can do this -- It's pretty hard to break/mess anything up on a more modern car (that isn't covered in rust). Installing headers doesn't require a lot of tech knowledge... it's still all bolts, pipes, and mechanical functions. Even removing the fuse box has little risk -- its all packaged pretty well and generally only goes back together in one smooth manner. Do you have another car that you can easily drive while you're working on this? If so, i'd say take it on! It'll boost your confidence, you can go slow (especially when/if you get frustrated) and get help on the forum. If you're generally careful I can't imagine what you might run into that would require you to tow from your house to a shop -- Any issues you find just may slow you down a bit -- but its otherwise just basic work (with a lot of steps).

If you didn't have a separate car, were on a strict timeline, bought cheap parts (that likely won't fit easily) or just flat-out weren't interested in DIY type projects, then i'd tell you to have a shop do it -- but if you're interested in taking it on, it really isn't that difficult.
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Originally Posted by ajcarson11
If you're working on restorations then I really think you can do this -- It's pretty hard to break/mess anything up on a more modern car (that isn't covered in rust). Installing headers doesn't require a lot of tech knowledge... it's still all bolts, pipes, and mechanical functions. Even removing the fuse box has little risk -- its all packaged pretty well and generally only goes back together in one smooth manner. Do you have another car that you can easily drive while you're working on this? If so, i'd say take it on! It'll boost your confidence, you can go slow (especially when/if you get frustrated) and get help on the forum. If you're generally careful I can't imagine what you might run into that would require you to tow from your house to a shop -- Any issues you find just may slow you down a bit -- but its otherwise just basic work (with a lot of steps).

If you didn't have a separate car, were on a strict timeline, bought cheap parts (that likely won't fit easily) or just flat-out weren't interested in DIY type projects, then i'd tell you to have a shop do it -- but if you're interested in taking it on, it really isn't that difficult.
I have a second car so no hurry to complete the job. It would definitely be cleaner than working on a 50 year old rust bucket!
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Old Jan 5, 2021 | 09:07 PM
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I've done a c6 and now my c7 Z51 on jack stands. The job on the c7 was much more challenging. The fuse box removal, dry sump lines, and starter made the passenger side pretty challenging. But all in all, there were no major roadblocks, and I love the ARH headers.
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If you have to ask? You're not capable of the installation. I've been installing headers since 1970.......
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If you have to ask? You're not capable of the installation. I've been installing headers since 1970.......

1970 headers are easy!!!🤣🤣 I'm putting headers and side pipes on my 69!😉
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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe
If you have to ask? You're not capable of the installation. I've been installing headers since 1970.......
What? That's not even right. I had never done the header install on a C7 - ever. I've done header installs on many cars, just not the C7. I've even watched youtube video's to make sure I'm not missing anything.
Question to you SRJ: did you personally install headers on your C7? How was the install? Any tips you can offer instead of judging people?
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I have read that the Kooks are the best fitting and "easiest" to install. Is that true?
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Originally Posted by ImpliedConsent
What? That's not even right. I had never done the header install on a C7 - ever. I've done header installs on many cars, just not the C7. I've even watched youtube video's to make sure I'm not missing anything.
Question to you SRJ: did you personally install headers on your C7? How was the install? Any tips you can offer instead of judging people?
No, it doesn't need headers. This isn't 1970. But it's not all that difficult. You've got to have the know how, proper lifts and tools just as it did in 1970. Don't know why you ask - unless you've not done that before.
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Originally Posted by clovergamecock
1970 headers are easy!!!🤣🤣 I'm putting headers and side pipes on my 69!😉
That's the spirit!🤪
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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe
No, it doesn't need headers. This isn't 1970. But it's not all that difficult. You've got to have the know how, proper lifts and tools just as it did in 1970. Don't know why you ask - unless you've not done that before.
Normal response from SRJ , Never installed headers on his C7 but has a remark to post about how easy it is....

I to have been wrenching on muscle cars and really fast boats since the 70's ....and i have a lift and the right tools

This is not the seventies and installing headers and the X pipe on a C7 is a lot more complicated and time consuming...... I used some tools that most normal people do not have in their box

Remember the old addage. " if you don't have anything good to say, don't say it at all " ?

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...Question to you SRJ: did you personally install headers on your C7? How was the install? Any tips you can offer instead of judging people?
Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe
No, it doesn't need headers. This isn't 1970. But it's not all that difficult. You've got to have the know how, proper lifts and tools just as it did in 1970. Don't know why you ask - unless you've not done that before.
Your experience - from 50yrs ago - does not translate into skill in 2021. Regardless if they "need" headers or not (neither did your car in 1970), I asked if you had personally installed headers on a C7. You say no. Then why tf do you think you can come on here and talk **** about header installs on a C7... that you have NOT experienced?! My guess is your too old to turn a wrench, but not too old to use a keyboard. The OP asked a good question and he got good responses until yours. #GTFO
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