C7 Z06's competition
12-15-2013, 03:10 PM
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Good point but also keep in mind that a lot of the competition has more advantageous weight distributions due to mid- (or rear, in the case of the 911 variants) engine layouts and/or AWD. Those with DCT also have sophisticated launch control programs - case in point: the 991 GT3 with only 475 hp runs a 3.0 0-60 and a 11.2 1320', numbers that neither the C6 Z06 nor ZR1 could touch despite superior power-to-weight ratios. Power braking may be the only option with a traditional auto and it simply won't match the brutal launch of a DCT.
Regardless of what the Z06 gets compared against, it will hold its own on a track.
Question is: how will it fare in a drag race where the new benchmarks are 3 second 0-60 and 11 second quarter mile barriers respectively. Ironically, this has been the Corvette's Achilles heel for the reasons mentioned above, and it remains to be seem whether the new Z06 gets the proper running gear to address this.
Regardless of what the Z06 gets compared against, it will hold its own on a track.
Question is: how will it fare in a drag race where the new benchmarks are 3 second 0-60 and 11 second quarter mile barriers respectively. Ironically, this has been the Corvette's Achilles heel for the reasons mentioned above, and it remains to be seem whether the new Z06 gets the proper running gear to address this.Trap speeds and 0 - 100 or even 0 - 185 will be the best indicators of raw speed and acceleration.
12-15-2013, 09:15 PM
#23
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You can laugh at yourself , I could care less about who beats who, just get your facts straight.
I believe the C7 Z will outperform the TA viper and for a much better price.
TA vipers are hitting dealerships right now at 116k
BTW what are your track times? I can bet you have never seen one
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12-15-2013, 09:36 PM
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I don't think the top 3 cars on that list are comparable to a corvette, what's next throwing a Bugatti in there?, some people go a little to far when comparing true exotics to a mass produced car 1/4 of the price, lambo owners etc aren't cross shopping with Chevy .
12-15-2013, 09:48 PM
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I tend to agree, I believe Porsche GT2 or GT3 along with the GTR will be it's outright competitors. That DCT in the tank and PDK in the Porsche are what's moving those cars. Hopefully the Z gets the 8 speed n a good one at it.
12-15-2013, 11:22 PM
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The C7 ZO6 will compete with the same cars the C6 ZO6 competed with.
My guess is that it will outclass the viper from a performance standpoint (as the C6 did). I think this C7 Z will also best the current GT-R around the track. I think the ZO6 vs 991 GT3 will be a drivers race with the edge going to the ZO6 because of the hp advantage. The 991 will be easier to drive fast though (as usual). The Mustang still has some serious growing up to do before it will do anything significant on a track
Having said the above, I believe there is a MONSTER in development by our friends at Nissan. Those Japanese are being very very quiet. I suspect the next GT-R will make the current one seem like a dinosaur...and that, my friends, is a scary thought...
My guess is that it will outclass the viper from a performance standpoint (as the C6 did). I think this C7 Z will also best the current GT-R around the track. I think the ZO6 vs 991 GT3 will be a drivers race with the edge going to the ZO6 because of the hp advantage. The 991 will be easier to drive fast though (as usual). The Mustang still has some serious growing up to do before it will do anything significant on a track
Having said the above, I believe there is a MONSTER in development by our friends at Nissan. Those Japanese are being very very quiet. I suspect the next GT-R will make the current one seem like a dinosaur...and that, my friends, is a scary thought...
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12-16-2013, 01:16 AM
#29
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an 8 speed Z would be killer
12-16-2013, 01:21 AM
#30
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The C7 Z will have great performance without losing any practicality, this is both the upside for people who drive their vettes and have fun(as they should) vs people (the Zaino, car show guys)who think they are buying a car that won't greatly depreciate.
12-16-2013, 01:45 AM
#31
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For the record I think the price and lack of modding potential make the new viper a fail, but I think you should check again, the TA viper did infact race against the zR1 and did beat it(you posting the margin of victory says you know this, and have typical CF selective memory, which makes your whole post not make any sense, so the Zr1 embarrassed the new viper but got beat by the new viper? Which is it? Another fact that is being ignored is that viper wore the same tires on another test that was independent and the 0.8 margin turned into 3 full seconds.
You can laugh at yourself , I could care less about who beats who, just get your facts straight.
I believe the C7 Z will outperform the TA viper and for a much better price.
TA vipers are hitting dealerships right now at 116k
BTW what are your track times? I can bet you have never seen one
You can laugh at yourself , I could care less about who beats who, just get your facts straight.
I believe the C7 Z will outperform the TA viper and for a much better price.
TA vipers are hitting dealerships right now at 116k
BTW what are your track times? I can bet you have never seen one
Last edited by skank; 12-16-2013 at 02:09 AM.
12-16-2013, 03:13 AM
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For the record I think the price and lack of modding potential make the new viper a fail, but I think you should check again, the TA viper did infact race against the zR1 and did beat it(you posting the margin of victory says you know this, and have typical CF selective memory, which makes your whole post not make any sense, so the Zr1 embarrassed the new viper but got beat by the new viper? Which is it? Another fact that is being ignored is that viper wore the same tires on another test that was independent and the 0.8 margin turned into 3 full seconds.
You can laugh at yourself , I could care less about who beats who, just get your facts straight.
I believe the C7 Z will outperform the TA viper and for a much better price.
TA vipers are hitting dealerships right now at 116k
BTW what are your track times? I can bet you have never seen one
You can laugh at yourself , I could care less about who beats who, just get your facts straight.
I believe the C7 Z will outperform the TA viper and for a much better price.
TA vipers are hitting dealerships right now at 116k
BTW what are your track times? I can bet you have never seen one
You should definitely get your facts straight.. The TA was fine tuned for this very track by SRT which took couple of days. And then they called Randy. There were NO ZR1 present. NONE. And whats with the "typical CF collective memory"? You not only have absolutely no clue whatsoever about what the **** you are talking about...but you also have to resort to personal attacks to make your point?
:rof l:As for my track times...fast enough.
12-16-2013, 06:09 AM
#33
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You should definitely get your facts straight.. The TA was fine tuned for this very track by SRT which took couple of days. And then they called Randy. There were NO ZR1 present. NONE. And whats with the "typical CF collective memory"? You not only have absolutely no clue whatsoever about what the **** you are talking about...but you also have to resort to personal attacks to make your point? :rof l:
As for my track times...fast enough.
:rof l:As for my track times...fast enough.
as for your track times... Playstation doesn't count
, you comments wreak of magazine racer .Personal attacks ? Where? Just because I don't agree with the rubbish that you wrote(which is rubbish and doesn't make sence,) that is not a personal attach , your just embarrassed cause your statements are inaccurate .
NOOB needs to hey a clue
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12-16-2013, 06:17 AM
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I was there at the track(Laguna Seca) during the Motor Trend test sitting, talking with the Motor Trend guys. The initial test was a C6 ZR1 vs the new Viper GTS. The ZR1 destroyed the Viper by 2.07 seconds (255.408 feet). Then SRT came back a few months later after the outcry of Ralph with the Viper TA and set up a new time, beating the ZR1 time by only .08 seconds (10 feet). That's hardly a smackdown. Also considering that SRT came a couple days early to set the TA up then call in Pobst to set the time. Viper will get it together but the new ZO6 will spank it big time until they do.
I think the z is going to hand viper a beating, even if an ACR is released(which I doubt do to lousy sales) it will be very expensive even if it outperforms the Z way to expensive for the average buyer.
12-16-2013, 06:22 AM
#35
My facts are fine,I don't care if the car was there for a month(like the 1st zr1 that was at the ring for months setting a record , only to be beat in a half day by SRT, stop you excuses a win is a win.
as for your track times... Playstation doesn't count , you comments wreak of magazine racer .
as for your track times... Playstation doesn't count
, you comments wreak of magazine racer .Oh and I don't do consoles/pc games or whatever. Nice try there tho...
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12-16-2013, 08:16 AM
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When it comes to the viper as the Z competition, I give it much respect, have always admired how brutal and raw that car is. Whether SRT had to use another car (TA) or not just to beat the ZR1 or for their own reason doesn't really matter, just shows that Chevy gave us one hell of a monster with the ZR1. I do believe however if a ACR is made then we have a bit of a problem as that car has always dominated on the track.
12-16-2013, 10:00 AM
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Having both Viper TA and C7 ZO6 will be great when the magazines start the tests this year. The Car and Driver Lightning Lap issue will be out in a few weeks so we will see how the Z51 did. It would not surprise me if SRT would bring out the new Viper ACR at Detroit since they did the same when Corvette debuted the ZR1 in January of 08. I recall a photo of a new ACR on this forum awhile back. Maybe we could view it again.
12-16-2013, 11:06 AM
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I am getting underwhelmed with my SS Camaro and I am potentially looking to go upmarket. My big 3 right now that I will be looking at 2 of which are going to be presented at The Detroit Auto Show are the M4 and the C7 Z06 Corvette.
While I have no doubts the C7 will outperform an M4 stock and cost more my budget to highly modify the inline six will be practically doubled if not tripled by the estimated 100k starting price that's being reported by various automotive publications online.
The third is waiting awhile and looking at getting an R36 and taking it to Switzer. I am concerned however with Mizuno retiring and the fact that they will be using a hybrid setup for the first time. People in the GTR community are worried about the potential for modding as well as the weight of the car.
While I doubt a Z06 let alone an M4 Coupe will be anywhere near its level of performance in Fall 2015- Spring 2016 they will be fairly straight forward engines to modify...
Nismo has been reported saying they want to focus on value and accessibility for the next GTR and while it might be nice to keep the sticker sub 150 grand I have concerns of what that might mean.
So while I may not have the same taste in cars those are the vehicles currently competing when it comes to my checkbook.
While I have no doubts the C7 will outperform an M4 stock and cost more my budget to highly modify the inline six will be practically doubled if not tripled by the estimated 100k starting price that's being reported by various automotive publications online.
The third is waiting awhile and looking at getting an R36 and taking it to Switzer. I am concerned however with Mizuno retiring and the fact that they will be using a hybrid setup for the first time. People in the GTR community are worried about the potential for modding as well as the weight of the car.
While I doubt a Z06 let alone an M4 Coupe will be anywhere near its level of performance in Fall 2015- Spring 2016 they will be fairly straight forward engines to modify...
Nismo has been reported saying they want to focus on value and accessibility for the next GTR and while it might be nice to keep the sticker sub 150 grand I have concerns of what that might mean.
So while I may not have the same taste in cars those are the vehicles currently competing when it comes to my checkbook.
12-16-2013, 04:32 PM
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As for the 991 GT3 vs. C7Z, l still believe it to be a drivers race for your average driver. If both cars are placed in the hands of professionals, I see the ZO7 coming out on top
12-17-2013, 12:01 AM
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I owned a 997.1 GT3 and have driven (never owned) a few C6 ZO6s now. IMO, the GT3 inspires more confidence. I feel more in control of it at speed. This is the impression I get. I have not yet driven a C7 but all who have seem to indicate that the steering feel and overall driving dynamics are much improved. I am sure the C7Z will be a huge improvement in this respect over the C6Z
As for the 991 GT3 vs. C7Z, l still believe it to be a drivers race for your average driver. If both cars are placed in the hands of professionals, I see the ZO7 coming out on top
As for the 991 GT3 vs. C7Z, l still believe it to be a drivers race for your average driver. If both cars are placed in the hands of professionals, I see the ZO7 coming out on top
