um.. 5 years to sit on the sidelines.. you are being sarcastic right?

 

I did not mean 5 years. I meant each year brought continual improvements. Look at the Carbons Ring time vs the original. It dropped more than 10 seconds

 

I just think that a lot of us had *higher* expectations for this beast. Don't get me wrong, this is an outstanding vehicle, BUT, look at the competition. On the track you have the Gen V Viper and Nissan GTR just to name a few that are in the same class as the Z06. My concern is how the new Z will compare after a few hard runs around the track. Will this car drag like a pig after 5-10 mins? Does the Viper and GTR drag like a pig when comparing it to the same amount of abuse? So far the studies show that the Viper and GTR do not succumb to the abuse. If the Z begins to perform less than expected, then you wouldn't consider that an upset or disappointment for GM?

We all got pumped up to see the new Z come out banging, and you are lying to yourself if you didn't think that the new Z would be king of the track when it was released. GM put a lot of time, effort, and pride into this vehicle and for the most part has come out on top every time they release a new beast.

For example, look at the Camaro Z/28. That thing is setting the track on fire. So was the 06' Z06 and ZR1 when they came out. Are you to tell me that a bolt-on Z/28 w/ tune will be FASTER than the new Z06 after a few laps around the track? If it does, you can not tell me that is acceptable. It would make no sense. Even the Stingray has been doing amazing things.

Yes, there are "negative nellies" out here who will probably never own the new Z, and those that are being "picky", but there are some of us who really love the Z06 and believe in what it stands for. I will have to wait and see what happens to the Z w/ the track times in comparison to the Z/28, Viper, and GTR later down the road. I just hope that the Z06 lives up to the name. That is all!

 

I can assure you the biggest factors in that time drop are switching from those horrendous Goodyear runflats to practically race tires with the Michelin pilot sport cups... and it also had carbon ceramic brakes correct? Same power, chassis etc. A basic 2013 z06 with the same good years wouldn't go around the ring faster than the z06 did in 2006

 

Preach on Brother! I love mine and I could care less that its not the fastest or the lightest or the...

BobD

 

Most of these cars wont be tracked but the way GM made it sound it was going to destroy everything. It's not much better then a z06 slower then a zr1. You have it getting beaten by a Viper and God forbid you run into someone in a 4 door charger hellcat and he blows you away what are you going to do? Tell him he my car stops faster or can go around a track faster then his. No you get laughed from a 4 door Charger that just handed your "ultimate cars" ***. Cmon GM sad don't you think. Imagine what happens when you get heat soaked and you have something even less coming at you.....This things was supposed to be teh second coming of Jesus according to gm..It's not...

 

If any one of the naysayers out want to relieve themselves of driving the shameful Z06, I'll gladly take it.

 

Exactly what did GM advertise ABOUT the Z06 do you consider "disingenuous?"

 

What is your track experience?
I am not sure what "studies" you are reading but do you realize that in the hands of an advanced (and perhaps even an intermediate) level driver that the GT-R will overheat the trans on most tracks within ~15 minutes? This is a fact, it's not an anecdotal observation. It's also why you see them doing cool down laps halfway through sessions before pitting-in. They'll also destroy the brakes. And if you go to a more aggressive pad, they'll destroy factory rotors. I considered putting my '13 Premium on-track for a weekend in place of my regular track car. It was going to cost me ~$3500 to prep the car for the weekend (rotors, pads, brake/F/R differential fluid, oil and it would destroy a set of tires with 2-days on-track...a side effect of a 3883# car on relatively small tires).
Gen V Vipers have clutch problems at the drag strip. This is probably why only one has gone 10's, and it did it after 27 passes and on DR's. There are also issues with the ECU pulling power when the IAT's exceed a trigger point over ambient.
The Z28 seems like a really neat car. From what I can tell the only big consumable item would be the Trofeo R's. But GM tuned the suspension with them and the treadwear rating is VERY nice compared to an R6. It is a car I would very seriously consider for the track, especially considering what I've read of the GM CCB's.

The point here is, EVERY car has some flaw or weakness. GT-R's are not infallible (and if you mod them, get used to clutch overheat issues at the track and be ready to upgrade clutches and baskets). Vipers are not without issues. And I'm sure there will be issues found with Z06's for those who run the **** out of them for 4-5 25-30 minute sessions in 90* temps in the southeast.
S.

 

My 06 Z06 has had ZERO problems and many feel it was the fastest of them all. The 05 Z51 6 speed I bought new was another story. It was a lemon/GM buyback.

 

you probably don't know this but the reason why you have a 10sec diff is because i believe in 2010 they started timing the car differently: before it was from a dead stop (or close to it) now they do it with the car at speed.
The improvements form the carbon where tires (cup tires vs goodyear) and the ccb's. 3sec difference between the z06 and zr1 which are the same platform, thats what 133 more hp does on that particular track.
Point being is yes we will see some tweaking but not as drastic, the new one already has everything available, that leaves software tweaks like suspention algorythms and other minor tweaks. Now that the c7z is out, they have switched into "product support" mode and moving on to the next thing.

 

Snorman,
Thank you for your response. You made excellent points and this is why I love being a member of this forum. To answer your question I am not a track guru. I am still learning about the track and always keep my eyes and ears open for those who are experienced such as yourself. I'm glad you went over the issues with the Viper and GTR. It sounds like GM did it right with the Z/28.

In regards to the Z06 Im curious to see what happens with the A8 compared to the M7 with members at the track and which performs better for longer periods of time.

 

For me GM had a tough task, to build a car that meets everyone's expectations from racing to waxing. It's a very fine balancing act to build a car that not only meets EPA standards and emissions and be safe that can be driven to the track on Saturday and church on Sunday. The car may not be quite perfect but its pretty damn close. It's already broken track records, cornering records and stopping records and we're just getting started.

I mention before in computer software terms we should look at these first cars as version 1. GM will continue to make tweaks and changes and we'll see Version's 2, 3 etc. The good news is most if not all these changes can be made to our Version 1 cars. Things like ECU updates are easy, half the car is a computer so I only see improvements in the coming months as GM continues to test and get feedback from folks like us.


For the bulk of the owners things like heat soak and slower speeds at 150+ won't be an issue, we're in it for the fun of driving and the pride of owning in what will be consider a super car that all others cars in the future will now be compared to. We're in an exclusive class very few other cars are members of and where many of these others members have paid dearly.

 

I don't agree with this. People keep saying doing 3 straight line runs you get an obvious reduction in power. That does not sound like bulk of owners will not see this issue!

 

YES RELAX PLEASE...the negative posts have already just recently scared away a client that his car just arrived and reading and reading the bashing of the car, he has changed his mind...

Really sad to hear this, I know the forum is an outlet for you guys, some of it may need to thought of more before posting where there may be an exception and now a client looking for info and feedback thinks that is the rule....

Too bad......delivered 10 Z's so far and all my guys LOVE EM!

Free Country, rock on....

 

I think you meant "Negative Nancy".

 

...or Nervous Nellie?

 

He can always come back after the dust settles. Looking at spending $100,000 for a car, I don't blame him for taking a little more time to digest everything.

 

Sorry but I'm sticking with my original statement that the bulk of the Z06 owners will not see 150mph.

If you are not on a race track where do you think owners will be driving at 150mph? On a 1/4 mile run you won't see it. In the street? If you're doing 150mph on the street then you are irresponsible and dangerous.

And just to be clear I'm not saying we should accept this "if" its a real issue I'm just saying for a brand new model if this is the biggest issue we have to deal with it I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

As Rick said most of this is speculation feeding the fire sort of speak. Let's try and stop bashing our own cars until some hard facts are determine first. We may end up finding out it's nothing more than a tweak to the ECU from GM......

 

Exactly right and very well said.

Living in the Midwest, I've tried to think of a highway were I could do a run of more than 110 MPH and I can't think of any. The fact is that there is just too much traffic (never mind the LEOs) to safely get up to those speeds. You live in the Northern Plains and out West in Wyoming, Utah, etc. and you might be able to get away with it, but not here.