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Old 12-19-2014, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JackTripper
Agree. Without a tune that is.
This is true.

I am very mod friendly - that said - I feel for those customers that don't want to break warranty by getting a tune.
Old 12-19-2014, 10:19 PM
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You guys do remember the first C6 Z06 video we got to see against a super car (Gallardo)... this is what got us all crazy when the first C6 Z came to the scene...


I know every one was shocked when this video came out.
Old 12-19-2014, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Paulchristian
I really don't think team corvette is going to address this heat soak issue at all. I am convinced they feel that 90% of all vette owners are men over 50 years old who don't care all about tracks or drag strips. They know there cars will be, for the large majority, boulevard cruisers.

There is no way GM did NOT know about this heat soak situation before releasing this car. I don't think this is getting fixed folks....that's just me.
Right on the money!! It doesn't need to be fixed. There are few options if this is a major issue for a potential buyer:

1. Buy the car and mod it.
2. Buy something else.
3. Wait for the ZR1/Zora to come out.
Old 12-19-2014, 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by shayneusmc
You guys do remember the first C6 Z06 video we got to see against a super car (Gallardo)... this is what got us all crazy when the first C6 Z came to the scene...

I know every one was shocked when this video came out.
I also remember an early video pulling a Ford GT.
Old 12-19-2014, 10:27 PM
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So you have to void your warranty for it to competent at the track? Seems like GM is giving the middle finger to the 5% of owners that will track their car. A calculated move by GM or just incompetence? Sadly probably the latter.
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Originally Posted by shayneusmc
You guys do remember the first C6 Z06 video we got to see against a super car (Gallardo)... this is what got us all crazy when the first C6 Z came to the scene...


I know every one was shocked when this video came out.
What I remember when the C6 Z06 came out - is it annihilated everything. Honestly there was a new car getting beaten every day. Including CBA (480 and 485 HP) GTRs in the roll (badly too).

It was (and still is) a crazy car for its time.
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Originally Posted by shayneusmc
You guys do remember the first C6 Z06 video we got to see against a super car (Gallardo)... this is what got us all crazy when the first C6 Z came to the scene...


I know every one was shocked when this video came out.
New z vs huracan wouldnt be pretty
Old 12-19-2014, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by shayneusmc
You guys do remember the first C6 Z06 video we got to see against a super car (Gallardo)... this is what got us all crazy when the first C6 Z came to the scene...

Stock Corvette Z06 vs Gallardo with Tubi Exhaust - YouTube

I know every one was shocked when this video came out.
Thank Bob Lutz for the C6Z06's performance. He was also the one that help inspire the gen 2 viper. I wish he was around in the development of the C7Z06 because it would be a much better performing car.
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When people ask why some of us are "disappointed", I think it is because we EXPECTED the C7 Z to come out banging and to do the exact same thing as it did in the past, or even better. Don't get me wrong, this car is amazing, and I will definitely be buying one, but we can't deny how sweet the C6Z pulled w/ ~460rwhp.
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Originally Posted by Glenn Quagmire
Right on the money!! It doesn't need to be fixed. There are few options if this is a major issue for a potential buyer:

1. Buy the car and mod it.
2. Buy something else.
3. Wait for the ZR1/Zora to come out.
I know you are a C7 Z06 owner - but is it frustration with the postings lately that made you write that post - or do you believe that?

What I mean is - it likely is true that the majority of any supercar owner will likely not race it (at least extensively) - should it not still have the capability to perform as intended (as a track car for example - let's forget roll racing as I agree - that is not its design focus). Without the need for someone to break warranty to "unlock" the existing potential of the car?

Is there another car on the market that forces you to do this?

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Couldn't find anything on the 2015 GT-R with 545 HP, but the 2012 GT-R with 530 HP did 11.2 @ 124 and 0-150 in 17.8 seconds.

Doesn't the obsolete C6 Z06 do 0-150 in 17.1 seconds(without a tune that dumps the warranty).

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Originally Posted by Z0Sick6
New z vs huracan wouldnt be pretty
Considering it's 'stats', wouldn't be pretty for any factory corvette
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Originally Posted by shayneusmc
When people ask why some of us are "disappointed", I think it is because we EXPECTED the C7 Z to come out banging and to do the exact same thing as it did in the past, or even better. Don't get me wrong, this car is amazing, and I will definitely be buying one, but we can't deny how sweet the C6Z pulled w/ ~460rwhp.


Expectations were through the roof. We are now hitting diminishing marginal returns WRT performance gains. GM seemed to focus more so on the aesthetics (looks more exotic, better interior, better materials, etc).

Expectations totally bloated....this is a ZO6...a ZO6...aka - the "middle child." Keep that in perspective. Big brother is on the way, and he will probably have a chip on his shoulder...

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Originally Posted by JoesC5
Couldn't find anything on the 2015 GT-R with 545 HP, but the 2012 GT-R with 530 HP did 11.2 @ 124 and 0-150 in 17.8 seconds.

Doesn't the obsolete C6 Z06 do 0-150 in 17.1 seconds(without a tune that dumps the warranty).
I saw a Car and Driver test putting the 2005 C6 Z06 at 0-150 MPH in 17.5 seconds.

Again - stock GTRs are not mid to top end cars. This is an easy fix (tune and free'd up mid pipe).

FBO and E85 adds to this of course.

That said - stock GTRs are amazing from the dig - but roll racing has never been their thing (comparatively).
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Originally Posted by vtknight
I know you are a C7 Z06 owner - but is it frustration with the postings lately that made you write that post - or do you believe that?

What I mean is - it likely is true that the majority of any supercar owner will likely not race it (at least extensively) - should it not still have the capability to perform as intended (as a track car for example - let's forget roll racing as I agree - that is not its design focus). Without the need for someone to break warranty to "unlock" the existing potential of the car?

Is there another car on the market that forces you to do this?
I completely agree with you. As a vette fan, of course it stings a bit to learn that the new Z gets winded after a few freeway pulls. But, because I don't do freeway pulls, and would be the first to call the cops if I saw one in action, it doesn't really affect my feelings about the car. It looks awesome, is fast as hell, and is a super cheap toy. What's not to like?

If I was serious about racing, I might be really disappointed. But, at 46, I'm done trying to prove that my crank is big enough. I'm more focused on positive carry, and couldn't care less about who's faster on the freeway. There's only one speed at the bank drive thru.
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I had a GTR, there sweet spot is from a 40 roll in 2nd...60 is NOT a good roll for a GTR... Nice kill either way...Your buddy better hope the GTR owner doesn't do full bolt ons and e85 bc it wont be pretty....
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Originally Posted by Paulchristian
I really don't think team corvette is going to address this heat soak issue at all. I am convinced they feel that 90% of all vette owners are men over 50 years old who don't care all about tracks or drag strips. .
What part of an torque-converter-transmissioned, automatic, supercharged car doesn't scream boulevard cruiser?

And I would guess that 90% is about right.

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Originally Posted by Paulchristian


Expectations were through the roof. We are now hitting diminishing marginal returns WRT performance gains. GM seemed to focus more so on the aesthetics (looks more exotic, better interior, better materials, etc).

Expectations totally bloated....this is a ZO6...a ZO6...aka - the "middle child." Keep that in perspective. Big brother is on the way, and he will probably have a chip on his shoulder...
Dammit PC, I really misjudged you. You really do "get it."

PS - Happy holidays!!
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The twin turbo Zora will make all things right in about a year and a half. Bank on it!
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Originally Posted by Glenn Quagmire
I completely agree with you. As a vette fan, of course it stings a bit to learn that the new Z gets winded after a few freeway pulls. But, because I don't do freeway pulls, and would be the first to call the cops if I saw one in action, it doesn't really affect my feelings about the car. It looks awesome, is fast as hell, and is a super cheap toy. What's not to like?

If I was serious about racing, I might be really disappointed. But, at 46, I'm done trying to prove that my crank is big enough. I'm more focused on positive carry, and couldn't care less about who's faster on the freeway. There's only one speed at the bank drive thru.
I appreciate your response and I understand your perspective.

It really IS a beautiful car and is still one of the fastest stock production vehicles in its class out there.

I am sure you will enjoy it - congrats on the car!


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